094 - Welcome to Season 4 - Happy New Year!

Kurt Neiswender: 0:00

Happy new year. Wait, let's do that again. Happy new year. Happy new year. Happy new year.

Jamie Crawley: 0:12

Happy new year. Well, almost, but yes. Happy new

Kurt Neiswender: 0:15

year. Well, by the time I get around to, doing the edit, it'll be 20, 20 to 20,

Jamie Crawley: 0:22

22.

Kurt Neiswender: 0:22

Yeah. Another, another year. I liked the, I liked the sound of 22 though.

Jamie Crawley: 0:30

Well, after 2021 was sort of a dumpster fire. Yeah. I think anything you could call 20, 20 to twenty, twenty seven. You can call it anything you want. I mean, it's gotta be better,

Kurt Neiswender: 0:44

so, right. Well, so there, how does this work? We have the 2020. Is that being considered? Oh, hold on here. Let me help the dog

Jamie Crawley: 0:54

out.

Kurt Neiswender: 0:59

He's old. He needs help. That's okay. He can't open doors like he used. So 2020 was what? The forgotten. And then 2021 is the dumpster fire. I thought, I mean, I thought 2020 would be ranked who

Jamie Crawley: 1:18

is in 20, 20 and 2021. Isn't that the same? Like, like, wasn't it just like one big continuation? Oh

Kurt Neiswender: 1:26

yeah. I've heard. I mean, I've worked coming to some people that think that well,

Jamie Crawley: 1:31

and then I think there was a moment where we thought that 20, 21 was going to have a unique identity and it was going to like, turn that corner. and then, then that, that sort of like, go in the football out, like, just as about your, as you're about to kick it. Charlie brown kind of thing. 20, 21 sorta like

Kurt Neiswender: 1:52

the psych. Yeah. Psych psych your mind, as we say in grade school, it's like your mind. Yeah. I think. It didn't turn that corner now. I don't know. Would that be a 180 or a 360? Because it didn't really, it didn't really go

2:12

anywhere.

Jamie Crawley: 2:14

It was like a Jedi mind trick. It just was like, I that's true.

Kurt Neiswender: 2:23

Yeah. And so basically what you're saying is not

Jamie Crawley: 2:26

the year that you're looking for

Kurt Neiswender: 2:30

that's right. 20, 20, 21. It's like just one long thing. So on the bright side, then

Jamie Crawley: 2:43

on the bright side, we've got an even numbered year. And for some reason, the even numbered years, they just seem, I don't know, I'm just

Kurt Neiswender: 2:51

making stuff up. I get it. I bet there's twos. There's this, it's

Jamie Crawley: 2:57

a, yeah, there's a whole twos thing, so

Kurt Neiswender: 3:00

yeah. they say bad things happen in threes. So that means good things happen in twos. Sixes. I just got a phone, a friend. I got a phone, a friend from, the better room. Yeah. You're in the other room. We're doing the

Jamie Crawley: 3:19

numerology

Kurt Neiswender: 3:20

now. I didn't know

Jamie Crawley: 3:23

we were going down the numerology like rabbit hole here.

Kurt Neiswender: 3:27

Well, yeah, if the numbers are spoken in within earshot of my in-house numerologists then be aware. So we're four years out from a good year. I guess what we just found out. okay. Well, two times two is four. That's still not enough. Two times two, two. You

Jamie Crawley: 3:49

know, this is the funny thing is that we've had a few times where we've talked about

Kurt Neiswender: 3:53

your math skills. I exposed myself again. Yeah. Yeah. And,

Jamie Crawley: 3:59

and I think in this episode we are going to talk some numbers.

Kurt Neiswender: 4:02

So, there's number of

Jamie Crawley: 4:04

letters and numbers and analogies. It's going to get, it's going to get, it's a short episode folks, but it's going to get, it's going to get interesting real quick. So buckle.

Kurt Neiswender: 4:13

Yeah. So, I mean, do we, do we, do we want to talk about coffee? Well, I I'm, I'm totally

Jamie Crawley: 4:22

caffeinated and, and still go in and you've got the EAP.

Kurt Neiswender: 4:27

Yeah. Our, our favorite, favorite, oh, special guest Kat, but I like that extra pause. let's just slow down.

Jamie Crawley: 4:43

Yeah. He's just, kind of a pre-Madonna. That's right. Well,

Kurt Neiswender: 4:48

cameo, cameo, cat, it's too bad. You can't snap a black cat. We could have just called that a glitch in the matrix. Exactly. Right. What do you got? You mean you have a, you have a white, what do you call that color? White and brown. Is there a special cat people have weird names for colors maybe. And he

Jamie Crawley: 5:12

Calico. I have learned that he's a fire tip. Oh, you can see exactly. I was like,

Kurt Neiswender: 5:20

what does that mean for the matrix?

Jamie Crawley: 5:22

That sounds awfully fancy,

Kurt Neiswender: 5:23

but just an

Jamie Crawley: 5:24

upgrade, I guess. I mean, in, and because someone named him a fire tip and he had this sort of unique coloring, cause he does have sort of a, an orangy like spots and seniors to his fur. Yes, exactly. that's why he's named Zuko. So. the collodion Nickelodeon avatar fire

Kurt Neiswender: 5:48

bender, right. Yes. Yeah. We had talked about that one time. Yeah, I know. I mean, it's, good stuff. Yeah. Okay. More pop, more

Jamie Crawley: 5:57

pop culture references. So unique names, but it does tie to is, unique markings and is, pre-Madonna

Kurt Neiswender: 6:08

pause sometimes. I wonder how we, how we should sell this podcast. People, how do you promote? And so maybe we can ask our listeners and viewers, but is this, are we more pop culture with the little coffee or is it a little coffee with. Architecture and design sketching, or is it, is it changed depending on what, what our mood is? It it's, it's

Jamie Crawley: 6:37

a good question, but I think that the, the thing that I, cause I, I have thought about it as well. And, I think that there is an element of it's the it's just storytelling, right? Main architecture and design and art is it's about communicating with an audience. and so I think that as creators, right? I mean, both of us as architects and artists, we're inspired by other creators. So there's a lot of, sort of, real world and pop culture kind of references to the things that we're interested. Yeah, that's, that's, that's sort of where I've always landed with it. I mean, cause I think that there's, there's an element of like some hardcore kind of architecture theory that, is going to land with a very, very small audience. and then there's, there's other stuff that is, really relatable, and sort of just our take and our view on, things that we're, pretty excited about or interested in or curious about, alligators in cryptocurrency.

Kurt Neiswender: 7:49

Don't start that again. Cause we will, will veer right off the tracks into, into. Tears of joy what's in the cup. So real quick, I, over the holiday, the Christmas holiday, I was surprised on a, I think it landed right on the, the day after Christmas, because I don't think they shipped anything on Christmas day. And I got a surprise package from my dear friend, Jamie across the screen here who, included a few key items, which were probably done in the, in the new year, as, wait for some of those things. Some, some clothing items, swag and so on. And then I got a bag of a little city, which I've been waiting to get more of since TIMI hinted at them. But, it's the crown, what was it? It's called. The violet crown violet crown. That's the, yes. Which I read on the bag. It's like a, is it like a nickname of Austin or

Jamie Crawley: 8:53

so it was the original name of Austin. So

Kurt Neiswender: 8:58

that's cool. Yeah. I like, I like how the little city puts a little local, puts that flavor into their stuff, the local player. And so it was, it's a great flavor too. I don't know if you've had it. It's it's the violet crown has a little bit of a, kind of a Berry tone or Berry flavor, as in, fruit berries and, a couple other, nutty notes after the, after the, the main fruit flavor. Oh, Zuko. Let's see if he pauses again. Yeah.

Jamie Crawley: 9:30

He's just a little bit of a, it's just going to be

Kurt Neiswender: 9:32

that he doesn't, he doesn't like the violet crown, maybe now

Jamie Crawley: 9:36

it's just, it's just, he's looking for stuff to just, grab off the desk and

Kurt Neiswender: 9:39

he he's ready for the new year.

9:41

Yeah.

Jamie Crawley: 9:42

It's like, it's going to be a party.

Kurt Neiswender: 9:44

Come on. It's like 20, 20, 20. What? All right. I'll, I'll stop speaking for your cat there. He's coming back. He heard me, he likes me, all cats liking me, but I can't, can't like on cats too much. Cause I'm allergic. So I just, as long as they don't, rub, rub my face in there for I'm fine. So, there's that anyway, back to you and what is totally gone off the rails, but thank you for my you're. Very welcome. Yeah,

Jamie Crawley: 10:23

no, I was, I was, I had been meaning to, to send the coffee for awhile and decided I was at least going to get it to you by Christmas. So, but yeah, no, I, and I, and I'm, I do, I mean, little cities. Great. I'm finishing up the last of my maple pecan that I like to have at the holiday season. So

Kurt Neiswender: 10:43

curious. Yeah. Well, and, and w we, one other thing that we we've been doing lately is the weather checking. So I'll let you get what you got going on down.

Jamie Crawley: 10:54

we have an, a high of 81 today. yeah, well, so not sweater, weather, I mean, but we're supposed to drop down for a freeze on the weekend. So, there is

Kurt Neiswender: 11:05

that. Yeah. And maybe that freezes attributing or part of what we're supposed to be getting. Anywhere between three and six inches tomorrow. But right now it's only 38. It's kind of damp because it's snowed a couple days ago. And then, and now it's melty, which is less fun,

Jamie Crawley: 11:27

right? Yeah. The dirty snow, not so cool. Yeah.

Kurt Neiswender: 11:31

Yeah. Yeah. Especially when you got to walk the dogs and it, so thanks for the weather up here.

Jamie Crawley: 11:39

Yeah. Well, good luck.

Kurt Neiswender: 11:40

it's, it's it's cold. You're you're not cool.

Jamie Crawley: 11:46

Like short sleeves, for sure. Not just inside the house, but

Kurt Neiswender: 11:51

well, one day soon we have passed the solstice, which I think we already talked about, but so now the days look like. Which I like, I like that trajectory longer days means warmer to,

Jamie Crawley: 12:08

yeah.

Kurt Neiswender: 12:13

Don't, don't, don't bring up math again. I don't know if I can. Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever redeem myself from that. So, so we jump right into the yeah,

Jamie Crawley: 12:26

cause I mean, it's, it's new, it's it's new year's Eve. so this is going to be our, our new year's tradition episode. the, I mean to start since we'll, we'll be hearing this as sort of the start of our, fourth season. More math first episode or season? Yes. All right. So there you go. Fourth season in 20 22, 4 plus two equals

Kurt Neiswender: 12:55

six, six magic number. There we go. We are we, we with the, no stir Domus

Jamie Crawley: 13:05

oh, I thought this was going to be like a Sesame street reference. He's a,

Kurt Neiswender: 13:10

he, he was good at predicting things, right? Oh gosh. So are four plus two equals six is as a good sign. Yeah, we're moving in the right direction. Okay. So as we continue on our, new year's resolutions. So anyway, tell me about. The sketch and, and what we've also done a little bit of tradition, right? Is, are some words for the new year. So I think, I think you have a story in this one and then, I think it will lead to a word that you're thinking of. Yeah,

Jamie Crawley: 13:51

yeah, no. So, I think that, on Christmas morning, the James Webb space telescope was launched, and, it's like, crazy amount of money, crazy amount of years in development. people can argue left right and center. The amount of money spent on the space program and science and things like that. but I think that, this particular, sketch was just, I mean that as much as I have nothing to do with anything regarding the space program or anything like that, I, I love science and I love that the inspiration that it gives and the amount of knowledge and work that goes into just dreaming about these sort of innovations and ways to study the world and explore, is just it's. So, energizing for me just to think about the, the, the, the way that it can captivate so many people. and, and then the images of our world. from space or, or celestial objects, from the Hubble space telescope, all of those things just, they, they just always captivate my imagination. and they've just, I've always sort of inspired, just a love of, of learning about those things and what goes into them. And to hear that kind of an event, was about to occur, was, was pretty special, because about nine years before, and I got to see, NASA was on like this crazy tour with their life-size replica of the space telescope, the web space telescope. And they were talking about the science of, what they were trying to do and, and getting people interested in, in science really, and in, in, in the work of NASA and, and, Yeah, sort of stem and steam and, and those kinds of concepts, I think. And so they were in Austin for the south by Southwest festival and south by Southwest is not just music. It's, music and film and education and interactive. And so there's a digital component and there's a lot of things that get, unveiled at south by Twitter, for instance, made its debut at south by. but in this particular year, they had this life-size mockup that they were touring around the country for certain events, of the space telescope. And you, when you see it, you're just like, how do you get something like this into space? And it's just cause it's crazy big. It's it looks, it's like as big as like a tennis court. and it has this gigantic mirror. that's gold. That's multiple times the size of the mirror that's on, on the Hubble space telescope. it's like, I think it's like three and a half times as big. Wow. and and you consider how big Hubble was and how difficult it was to get it up into space. it was brought up into space by the space shuttle, and and then had to be repaired, at one point and the mirror replaced. I mean, there was

Kurt Neiswender: 17:05

all these contact lens, didn't it? Yeah. I

Jamie Crawley: 17:07

mean, there was like, there was, there was all these things that, went into that. And so you think about all that effort and technology, and this thing is, the mirror itself is at least three times as big. And then, and then the distance that they're putting it into space is like a million miles away from earth, at a point at a point where. you can't even go to repair it necessarily, right?

Kurt Neiswender: 17:34

it's not, it's not that far yet, right? No, no. Right

Jamie Crawley: 17:38

now there's a really cool website, that I'll, I'll send you the link on, where you can follow along on its journey. It's live updates, because as it's going there it's, and that's the thing is that, when you saw this thing in real life and you're like, wow, this thing is huge. how are they going to put this in a rocket? Like, we don't really even have the space show anymore. Like, how's this thing going up there? it's crazy big. It's got all these parts, it's spread out. And so what it is is it's, there's this kind of orchestrated Oregon. of it unfurling itself over time as it's making this journey out there. And so there was this series of movements that it's doing in terms of unfolding itself. And, it's really fascinating. And so I'm kind of geeking out about it, and watching its journey and, and when I got to see with them, she was, equally excited. I mean, she's always been equally excited about all things space. And, so this to me is that sort of sketch of, astronaut dreams and, reflections of, the web space telescope and in the mirror advisor. And, so it's a.

Kurt Neiswender: 18:47

Sorry.

Jamie Crawley: 18:48

Yeah, no, no. So yeah, that's, that's where, that's where this sort of stems from. And, and I can talk about all kinds of, nuances of things that I've learned in reading about the web of the last week or so. But I, the one thing I do want to share is like, there's this crazy thing we're gonna talk about analogies. I think more in a moment, in terms of learning things, but did Cause I didn't, when they were talking about the webspace telescope, they kept saying, it's going a million miles away in a way past the, the moon, it's going to be on this, kind of the dark side of the earth and like how does that work and how does it stay there? And like orbits and all that kind of stuff, because they want to get it on the cold side of. The sun in a sense. So they, because I'm in a sun still gonna radiate on it and a temperature fluctuations and all that, but they want the instruments of this object, this telescope to be effectively pointed away from the sun so that they can, it can do its work. So it's got this huge solar shield and that's part of the tennis court size thing. That's sort of protecting it. But when you start thinking about that still it's, I mean, it's still orbiting, it's like, cause it's not, where can, how far are you putting it out there and how is it gonna relate, not fly off into space and, whatever. So they kept referring to this thing called the LaGrange plant. And I was like, what is this look, range point? Like, what does that mean? And so I finally saw a description of it and what I realized was. It's in simple terms, it's a point at which the, the magnetic fields of the earth and the moon and the sun there becomes these locations in space, where they're imbalance effectively, which is crazy as a concept. Right? And so there's an actual point in space where it's imbalanced. So there, what they're doing is they're putting this object in orbit around that balance point. And the balance point is created by the earth and the sun. So it's always going to be in the same,

Kurt Neiswender: 21:13

like equally.

Jamie Crawley: 21:16

Exactly. And so it'll so little will always be on the shady side of the earth, relative to the sun. It will be an orbit. And, but at the same time will be in a tight orbit around that sh that shady point. and which to me is just, it's you think about it, like, like throwing a pebble in a pond and all these sort of ripples and currents and flow, and that there's this sort of balanced point that is always going to be there. it's just it's, and the fact that we know that it's there and that it's just, that's fascinating to me.

Kurt Neiswender: 21:54

it is fascinating. It's also sounds very complicated somehow. but it's still less complicated than, than, the blockchain and cryptocurrency is. Did you?

Jamie Crawley: 22:09

Yeah. I mean like

Kurt Neiswender: 22:11

how many alligators, gosh, how many alligator references can, can, does it take to solve the Webb space telescope? I don't

Jamie Crawley: 22:20

know. I mean, like my mind can go there and I can enjoy it and I can delve into understanding it and I can do a sketch like this. That to me is about, I, I used the hashtag at Astro, Latin for, to the stars. cool. And maybe that's just my word for this year.

Kurt Neiswender: 22:40

I think that's a nice optimistic choice in hopefully good timing. On the NASA's part for launching this telescope that can hopefully get people sort of looking beyond where where we are now. yeah, I was thinking about, when you mentioned the, your fascination on, on all the peace things that NASA has done Hubble and now web, and I saw the, the time-lapse video of like the probe that went around the sun. Right. Cause it in the orbit of the sun or something. And first I dunno how this thing didn't melt like into, just totally melt, but it through the Corona. Yeah. And then yeah, then there's the video and then it shows how there's the Milky way. And then earth and other planets, like in its view from the Corona is PR that's pretty, it's pretty fascinating, pretty wild to think about and the clarity, but there's enough clarity in that image that you can go, oh yeah. I can see that. It's not like, remember the early, early, early, early photos of spacing, like sure. Yeah. Like, looks like a star.

Jamie Crawley: 23:59

Yeah. Like when, like, people just think that, there's still, some people think we'd never went to the moon and it's like, Hmm. It

Kurt Neiswender: 24:06

was a snow stage sound stages.

Jamie Crawley: 24:09

It's like, but those are also the people who don't realize that, they're actually to, space stations in space and. us and the Chinese have one and, the Chinese actually have a Lander that's on the moon and, India is also sent something and, there's people who just don't believe that, science is real. So, I mean, yeah, cheers to them. 20, 20 to 2022. So 22, it's all a Jedi mind trick.

Kurt Neiswender: 24:42

So I guess, I have a image to share too. Yes.

Jamie Crawley: 24:46

I know. Well, you got to tell me your word and you tipped your hand. I have to admit you tip your hand with your Instagram, that this might be the word for 20, 22. I can't even say it God.

Kurt Neiswender: 25:00

Or you have to practice. Yeah. Eventually you go to, by the end of oops, wrong share this screen. I made a drawing. It's not a sketch. Well, I guess you could call it a sketch in digital form, which we've talked about a long time ago and how I explore various, softwares. Like, so this is grasshopper, grasshopper and rhino. Yeah. This is a, generated, drawing from a grasshopper script, which so, so here's my quick, quick little story, right? So this is, this is my I've minted, an NFT, so I don't really have one word. I have three words, non fungible token. Or if you want me to do one word, I guess I have to say no or something. I don't know that doesn't really roll off. The tongue

Jamie Crawley: 25:54

NFT is, is I think it's going

Kurt Neiswender: 25:56

to be a word when you say, I guess if you just say the letters it's. Yeah. And the NFT. So I'm into it, an NFT, right? This is a little experiment I have. So I have a neighbor, I have many neighbors, but my one neighbor across the street has gotten himself into some cryptocurrency and Ft land. And he's acquired a few different NFPS and interested in

Jamie Crawley: 26:25

back alley transaction at some point, there's like an element of this, that sort of feels, but I'm,

Kurt Neiswender: 26:31

I'm right there with you. The transactions are all online, so there's gotta be some back alley online. Right. that right. So, so what I did was, for, so as an idea, right. To see how this works, I, I developed this little script. I actually had this sort of, this, this grasshopper script, for a year or so. it was fiddling around and trying to learn how to use grasshopper and came across, like something like this was just super, super simple, right? This is not a very high, high tech high. What do you, what's the, a high level of complexity sort of grasshopper piece of code,

Jamie Crawley: 27:18

I mean, I, like, I liked the image. I

Kurt Neiswender: 27:20

mean, there's plenty of architects out there that probably go, oh yes, I could do that in like two minutes. Right. So anyway, so it's not, it's not the, the, the most complex thing, but it kind of a fun little thing and it, and it generated a kind of an interesting, I dunno what to call it. composition

Jamie Crawley: 27:35

sort of, almost like a torque form. I mean, of, I mean, there's, there's, there's a level, there's a level of motion to it that. I sort of see it, like it's like caught mid spin.

Kurt Neiswender: 27:49

Yeah. Or, yeah. And the fun part about digital design work is that it's an it's anti-gravity right. There's no gravity just like in space. So there's our segway from the web telescope. So the web telescope might pick this thing up, in a, in a few years. So, so the, the premise, right, so we're entering 2022, 2022. so I, I, the, the boundary of this piece of art is 22 units by 22 units by 22 units tall. So in, if you wrap this thing in a cube, right, it's 22 units, all three sides, and then there are 22. What I call straws, these sort of, round pipe, There's 22 of those that were randomly scattered inside of this cube or this boundary, using a randomizing function and grasshopper where, w when you do these randomizing calculations, see, I can't do math, but grasshopper can do the math. And, you, you, you provide a seed, right? So it, you can pick a number or a range of numbers and it sort of seeds the randomizer. Right. So it just, it takes the seed and it goes, okay. And it plugs it into its calculation. So I chose the 22nd seed, right. So I picked 22 as the seed number. So that seed number generated 22 of these straws inside of a volume of 22 by 22 by 22. Right. So you get the point, right? It's 2022 and numerous amounts of 22. So, so I also, so then I minted this, object or what, what NFTs are called objects sometimes. I don't know. I don't know everything about it yet. so it is now live and for sale and it's, the selling price is 0.22 Tezos. So Tezos is the currency that it's, minted with. I don't really see, I guess I don't know how to explain it that well, but it resides on this website called hick at noon, which is kind of the host that uses this Tezos current. Right. So they're affiliated with each other. And so, anyway, so it's on this website for 0.2, two Tezos and minted 22 copies for the continuation of the numerology of 22, lots of 20 twos. Hopefully if you add up all the 20 twos that I've created, it doesn't equal six. Yes. Hopefully six and not some bad number that we don't want anyways. So I thought it'd be kind of fun. Maybe, the abundance of 20 twos, will be clear and that, it gives it a little bit of a, a cachet or some sort of catch, for, for the new year. And so, so there you have it. So, so I don't know. I, my, my whole point in making this little experiment is trying to understand the relationship or of, of design. As, as what we do and, architecture and, using some of the tools that we use and how we can find a way to communicate in, in this sort of realm or this new frontier of, of NFTs, or, I'm not necessarily expecting to get rich, like the they're for sale. I think the equivalent of like a dollar, so it's not like I'm out there, trying to become the next, billionaire of, of NFT land. But it's an interesting, platform and an interesting sort of, outlet, I suppose, creative outlet and a place for other to maybe engage with some other creators too. So I've found, along the lines of getting this up there, a couple of other people that you're using grasshopper or other, sort of CRE visual. Computer code languages that generate these graphic pieces of art. So, so it's an interesting, interesting community. Okay. Well, I mean,

32:04

but

Jamie Crawley: 32:04

I mean, and that's the whole, that's the beauty of it. I mean, that sort of level of experimentation, and sort of curiosity that you have. I mean, that's, I mean, the minute, you started teasing this stuff out, I recognized some of it. And then, then immediately had a big Gillian questions about like, what's it. What is an NFT now more like, what have you learned about NFTs and what have you learned about crypto and what have you learned about all this mining business with Bitcoin? and you, you were very generous in indulging my questions earlier today. of the things that you've learned, but it all definitely comes back to like alligators and cryptocurrency and. And finding out like why Florida apparently has created their own cryptocurrency. I think that's the thing for me is that I, I'm still trying to understand if, if there are multiple crypto's currencies and not necessarily that they're all competing against one another, but I guess that the exchange of them and the, I guess the exchange of them sort of validates them a bit, and, and increases their value or similar to like an art situation. I mean, I'm getting a better understanding of the NFT related to its value and how that relates to, a certificate of authenticity is sort of what the, the crypto currency part of it is. I still don't quite understand how the, the multiple. currencies all work and how one can just like the state of Florida. But I guess that is also sort of the state of Florida, like announcing that they've got their

Kurt Neiswender: 33:49

own could be more Florida than that, right?

Jamie Crawley: 33:52

Yeah. Like what were you saying? Like, go pay your water bill with alligators out of the toilet. I don't know.

Kurt Neiswender: 34:03

Yeah. Some

Jamie Crawley: 34:05

Bitcoin,

Kurt Neiswender: 34:08

apparently they haven't been to Florida. Yeah. Oh yeah. So yeah. I dunno. Yeah. Well, well w I guess this kind of leads to it to be continued because we'll see, right. So far you can see, I haven't sold any, so, not that I'm trying to push no, but you just want to see

Jamie Crawley: 34:27

you, like, you've opened one door and you've discovered the next door and now you're like, okay, what's what's beyond the next. and, and, and so on. I mean, that's, I mean, that's sort of fun. I mean, and the fact that you decided to do this, in 2021, leading into this year, I mean, why, of course not, this is a, it's like a new adventure. That's fun.

Kurt Neiswender: 34:49

Yeah. as if I didn't have enough going on. Right.

Jamie Crawley: 34:52

Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, and you, you described it too is sort of the way our industry works. there's a level of intellectual property, that, we're always sort of battling against and, because there was a, the concept of, is it, is it really all original ideas or is it, how, we're not making widgets, So, but at the same time, there's, there's still a value in what we do and the thoughts that we have. And, and, and, and like you were just describing with, with, the, the piece that you've created. I think that's story of it, even adds to just the visual appearance. there was a, there's already sort of a curiosity about what you're seeing and then when you kind of read that artist's statement, I think it, I always, in an, in a museum, I always sort of treated it as there's two readings of everything. There's the initial kind of, I'm, I'm seeing this in, first impression and then I'm, and then I'm getting to read the process. I'm getting to read the artists, some of which I may agree with and some of which I may not, but at the same time, that sort of, that duality, that dialogue has sort of, I think is part of it as well. so to hear you talk about that, and this new experiment that you're trying, I mean, I think it's pretty exciting for a whole new knee. That's a great way to start the new year.

Kurt Neiswender: 36:09

Yeah, thanks. Yeah. I like that. that, yeah, there's definitely a, a reading, from the viewer, like, you approach a piece of art and then again, reading, if, if they post the artist statement next to the painting and so on, would potentially adapt or modify or alter your perception another time. So, yeah, I think, there's some interesting, Interesting pursuit of it. So anyway, well, we'll, like I said to be continued, on that one since, it's out there. So that's kind of fun. Yeah. and, and hope, I guess maybe leave, leave it there and leave it with, an optimistic 20, 22, right? Yeah. Thanks.

Jamie Crawley: 36:57

Happy new year.