Coffee Sketch Podcast

111 - On the Right Track!

February 24, 2023 Kurt Neiswender/Jamie Crawley Season 5 Episode 111
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111 - On the Right Track!
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Thank you for listening. We both hope that you enjoyed this episode of Coffee Sketch Podcast. Our Theme music is provided by my brother who goes by @c_0ldfashioned on Instagram and Twitter. Our podcast is hosted at coffeesketchpodcast.com find more show notes and information from this episode. And finally, if you liked this episode please rate us on iTunes and share us with your friends! Thank you.


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Kurt:

Jamie, amen. Live. We live. Welcome, welcome to the the Portis head mood lounge. The, I don't think you can say proper names. Proper names, because you can't this royalty free music, so well

Jamie:

it, yeah, but it's not. It just sounds like that that would've said vibes. Yeah. Yeah, that's, it just sounds like them.

Kurt:

Yeah. It, it does. Huh? I like this channel. You know, it's good for us. It's a good, it's a good vibe. It, it, it, it allows us to be, live at any hour of the day. The, my. Maintain the mystery So, so it had a dream, right?

Jamie:

Good. Yeah.

Kurt:

So, well, maybe I should back up.

Jamie:

Well, tell me, tell me, so you had a dream. Go ahead, be before, before we get into the episode, episode, let's, let's, I wanna hear this. This

Kurt:

is the, yeah, this is the, the pre-show, pre-show, brainstorm. But like, you know, we, you've got some great sketches here, and I honestly, we, we. You've had these posted on Instagram for a little bit and so I, yeah, we've got it in our little whiteboard on mural, but I literally had a dream that these images reminded me of a show that we've been talking about peripheral and, and how. How feasible could it be that you can design and construct these carbon scrubbing structures? I don't know what to call'em. They're not necessary buildings, right? All of them might be occupied. I don't know the book. I honestly feel the book is better than the movie for the show, just because there's more that you can elaborate on often. In the book. I don't know. You read the book so you can say you're,

Jamie:

yeah. And, and there's a sequel so that I'm haven't started, but it arrived, so that's good.

Kurt:

I have, get in on these. I'm finishing up a book on space. I, did I tell you about that?

Jamie:

Like fiction or

Kurt:

non-fiction? no. Real like, It's strange. It's, it's based on, it's a, it's not a, how do I describe it? It's a compilation kind of book of multiple authors writing about real world. Space programs, so around the world. Okay. And, and the different authors are writing about particular programs of interest. Most of it is based off of Deep Space and Mars, and kinda like what's out there on the horizon, or I say horizon in the sense of like, you know, where are we trying to head with the space program in general, globally. I picked it up at the airport when we were flying out to visit Charlie. Okay,

Jamie:

well, I've told you about that. You need to check out Fred Charman. I am. He's the. Like I know of him, department head or something at Morgan State. okay. Is that right? Morgan State?

Kurt:

but he's, we'll verify for

Jamie:

the show notes. We'll verify for the show notes. I forget. but he's, you know, he's an architect. I mean, he's teaching architecture, but his research area is. Space and space settlements and Oh, right. Yeah. And so he's written, remember two books, I think one, one is a collection of essays, but then the other one, is, is all his work. so I, I'd gotten one of them for him. but yeah, it's, it's good stuff. I mean, he's a. He's a good author. He's fun to follow on Twitter cuz he does post to a lot of, you know, interesting other sources. So you definitely need to check

Kurt:

it out. Yeah, I know. I, I think I follow him on Twitter. he was also a big architect. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yes. Collaborator.

Kurt:

Yeah. So have you, have you, have you ventured to watch All of us or the last of us? All of us. The last of us?

Jamie:

No, not yet. It's only been a couple days. I, I, I, I know and there was a big game in between there and there and there, which we'll talk. Yeah, we'll have to talk about that in the show. So

Kurt:

some, some, pay ups are due. Yes. Well, I guess you want, launch into

Jamie:

the formal start. All right, hit it. All

Kurt:

right, we're gonna do it. One sec. I always, I I'm not ready. I'm not ready,

Jamie:

I'm ready now, but,

Kurt:

Welcome back, Jamie, episode 1 11, 1 11. You know, are you, are you into numerology? No. I'll turn the, we'll, we'll, I

Jamie:

mean, I have, I have a thing. I mean, I have a favorite number. But I mean, no. Yeah,

Kurt:

yeah, yeah. Well, what's your favorite number?

Jamie:

Seven. Seven's a good number.

Kurt:

One 11 is

Jamie:

a great number. Okay.

Kurt:

I mean, I'm not a numerologist myself, but Danielle,

Jamie:

you're like, you're about to like give me knowledge, I think, and then I'll, and then you kind of like,

Kurt:

Ooh. Yep. Yeah. Or the instant caveat, but one 11 according to Danielle means you're on the right track.

Jamie:

Well, good. I, I like that advice. I mean, or a statement or,

Kurt:

so we've made it to one 11. It's actually to one 11 up my life. No stopping now. Thinking about today is the fact it was, is episode one 11. I'm pretty stoked. I've been thinking a lot about our, our banter. I, you know, I kind of, sometimes I think of all of what we do as banter and hope that people enjoy what we do. Or, or

Jamie:

chats. Yes. Well, someone, someone just jumped on and said that they, they missed one 10, so they're here. Oh. And so they're, listen, they're listening now. So they can go back and they can go back and listen to one 10 when Kirk gets the edit done on the podcast.

Kurt:

And now I'm gonna say is it's on YouTube and Twitch. I misspelled that. Oh, I know. You even spelled the, spelled it even worse. The audio I'm gonna, this is, will be out.

Jamie:

You know, they can hear you. Right.

Kurt:

I know, I know. You know, but you know, I'm new to this. I'm new to this. I know,

I

Jamie:

know, I know, I know. You're all, you're all flustered and excited. It's good.

Kurt:

I know, right. And I was, I was on this thing about one 11, but as, as we were approaching one 11, You know, the tonight or you know, the, the

Jamie:

recording? Yeah. The,

Kurt:

the, the event.

Jamie:

The event. This is like, like this is getting like, like there's an event horizon and a black hole coming. I just, I'm, I'm getting a little nervous space

Kurt:

is a theme. But yeah. The, you know, Danielle's been, we, we, we often. And that to sound weird, but we often recite one 11. You, so if you see one 11 on the clock, you say it's a one 11. Yeah. So it's, it's kinda about like, if you catch the clock telling you one 11, you're on the right track. Right. Like you're on, you're on the right page. So, so episode one 11, we are on the right page. Big picture. Making sense? Yeah. I mean, I will say this much. I am not getting the feedback. I'm not getting. Well, that's good. But

Jamie:

I mean, I, I worry about you sometimes with the, the headphones, so, you know, I don't know if it's all just like happening in here or, but, or in here. Yeah, exactly. Right. Is it here or is

Kurt:

it here? Well,

Jamie:

anyway, so as a follow up to our one 10. there's some coffee to talk about in terms of some wagers. I believe so. I will, I will, I will let you, acknowledge, acknowledge your defeat.

Kurt:

Yeah. Ill, we last, last episode we talked, we gave some predictions about the Super Bowl. Somebody has to be the winner. And somebody has to be the not winner.

Jamie:

Yes.

Kurt:

And, and it happened to be me this year that, so I predicted the Eagles to win, which at halftime, if anybody's paying attention at a halftime, I was right

Jamie:

at halftime I got, I got a text from Kurt saying, scoreboard. So, so for all those, those, you know, Eagles fans, you know, I'm not saying, but I might be saying, talk to Kurt, talk to the guy in Flint. Neither one of us are like in either of these communities, so, yeah. Right.

Kurt:

Well, yeah, so,

Jamie:

and neither one of these teams is actually our team, but yeah, if you have to pick a team, you know, because. Yeah,

Kurt:

I spoke to, it's fun, right? And, you know, somebody has to be the not winner and I will humbly concede. however, I will point out that it came down to the kicker either T and in this case, Kansas City had a clutch kick that put them. which gave the offense the ability to take a knee and set up, you know, do their thing. Oh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. But it was a good game, all in all. So anyway, yeah, I guess it was a good

Jamie:

game and an even better halftime. Oh,

Kurt:

I, I can't, well, we have to talk about the halftime show too, which I, yeah, we, I'm in agreement. But the first thing is I owe you something. Yes. And the promise was from last episode is that I have to acquire a Valentine's sketched rootless coffee bag for Jamie. And that's, that's the gift. And. I'm now tasked with accomplishing this, this, this goal.

Jamie:

Which, well, I mean, you're acting like you don't know these folks, but you do know them. I know. And so I know somebody. Yeah. You know somebody. So, I'm looking forward to it. I, I love their stuff anyways, so, and the bags I thought were a super fun, creative idea on their part. But yeah, it was a great game. I did, I did really. it was fun. I'm glad we had a little coffee wager on it. so moving beyond the coffee, for this episode. talk about that halftime show for a second.

Kurt:

Yeah. Well, okay, so I think you're aware that I'm afraid of heights, right?

Jamie:

Well, and, and, and I am as well. So I was, I was really worried. For Rihanna. Like, I mean, it was like, I loved it, but at the same time I was equally terrified for her. and, but at the same time, there's a part of me from an adrenaline part where I'm like, I loved it. And, and then, and, and not just that, but we were talking about it kind of in our studio, is the use of the drone photography. to kind of add to the whole presentation of the performance was pretty brilliant. I mean, yeah, strip down like aesthetics, two colors. Yeah. Simple set. No need for any guest appearances, and then additional camera angles that were just sort of spot on. With the choreography, and I mean, and then she's just, she can sing, you know, the range is amazing. So, I mean,

Kurt:

yeah, I'm a, I'm a fan of Rihanna as a musician. I think she has a super talent, great voice and yes, I, I think the simplicity of the red and white and, and, and, no, no real major. Scene shifts or, Costume changes and things like that, right? Like, just super simple. but then, you know, the whole le the, the, the, the level of, three-dimensional, like using the space, right? The stadium, the vertical, and I mean, I don't care if anybody, you don't have to be a football fan. I mean, I think the Super Bowl is in interesting thing that you don't have to be a football fan to actually watch the super. because the commercials and the halftime show. But you can, nowadays, you could just go to YouTube and like even Danielle, she wasn't watching the Super Bowl and she went and watched the halftime show online. Ooh,

Jamie:

she needs to watch the whole thing. It's like, it's like I, we were talking about Fred before the kind of, you know, in the, the, the pre-show, and I saw him tweet out that it was sort of, Yeah. I, I, I, I saw. I saw him tweet out something before in ahead of it and he was like, this is the day of like, you know, all things kind of, you know, American culture, all conglomeration, you know, I forget he put it in better, better words than I did, but it was, but it is, I mean, it is sort of this sort of global spectacle. you know, I mean, it's not the football that's number one in my heart. but I do, but I do love football too. I mean, I, yeah, I, I, and I follow it and I have favorites and all that stuff, so, but yeah, I mean, as a, as an event, you know, and an event in an, with an organization, that is tainted in so many ways, they, they, the, the halftime show just sort of blew every, blew me away. I mean, you know, I was, I was super pleased and, you know, and it was one where you didn't really necessarily, like, I, I think last year there was sort of all this lead up of like, who's gonna be into it, you know, and or not into it, but like, who the guests are and Yeah. In it and sort of speculation about what they're gonna do and what songs and all this stuff. And, I just feel like Rihanna just was like, yeah, I've got it covered. You know, here, here's the show. Hope you like it. Yeah,

Kurt:

I agree. I think so. Danielle was under the weather, she wasn't feeling the best. So I went over to a good friend, neighbor, a neighbor's house, and you know, is a, is a mixed crowd. So we had some that were more interested in the, the fan. And then others that were interested in the game. And it's interesting that at the same time you can have what we think was a great performance and then a whole bunch of people that didn't think so at the same time,

Jamie:

really? So,

Kurt:

oh yeah, really? There was some hate. There was some,

Jamie:

what with the halftime really? Who are these people? Yeah. No, I don't want, I don't wanna know. Don't

Kurt:

even answer that question. No. Well, anyway, yeah. Sorry, I was trying to click around, but

Jamie:

I was like, don't, don't e you

Kurt:

know, you know, there's always two sides and so No, in this case, there really isn't. There shouldn't be. There really isn't. No, sorry. But, so anyway, back to what my last, I just wanted to to point out my last interest of. you. You called her. You so you

Jamie:

were sweat, you were sweating while she was

Kurt:

out there. Well, I was sweating for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But I did see the tether. Did you see the tether? Oh yeah. Yeah. That anchored her. Oh yeah. It made my heart calm down. My heart calmed because I was like, did you see at the end? The end as she was moving back up again and the thing was wbb. Oh yeah. Because if it was me, I mean, I would be like, no thanks. Please know. I mean, there's no amount of money that you could make me do that but is the Yeah, the, well, I don't either drone shots or sky cam. Right. Because you know they have the sky cam. Right. Although with all the cables and stuff, but they were flying Right. AC right through the whole space. I mean, talk about, I mean, the whole idea is like they use the space, all of the space, and we're talking about the. right. Not just the field, you know, they use the stadium. I mean the, the, the trusses are probably like a hundred feet in the air.

Jamie:

No. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, you know. Well, and I don't know if you knew this or not, but like that whole last sequence that you're talking about, where it was a little wobbly, it might have been because there was a little extra weight on. cuz it, you know, and no, and I'm not talking about like the, that everybody, you know, the baby, I'm not talking about the baby here. This is not about, this is not about Rihanna or the baby. This is the coat. If you notice there was a little bit of, there was a little bit of a, a costume change right at the very, very end, where she had sort of an extra, extra large coat on like, like there was an extra layer that went on. and so, you know, I, I, I thought in the last sequence it's like, oh man, did that coat get bigger? You know? Yeah. That she was, you know, and I, I kind of went online, of course, like, as you do these days to, you know, find out if, if there's some extra information, some extra tidbit. And the beauty of it was she did that as a tribute to, Andrew Leon Talley, I think is his name. Andre Leon Talley, who was, he was a fashion editor. If you saw a picture of him, you would know exactly who it was. And that was one of his signature looks. Mm-hmm. and so he had passed away. He was, you know, close friends with her. And so she wanted to do that. And it was just, you know, those are the things that as an artist, you know, you, you love those subtle nods where it's like, I don't even need to tell you what I'm doing. I'm doing it because I need to do it. I want to do it. The people who need to know will know and leave it at that. So it was great. I, I mean, you know, haters, whatever.

Kurt:

Yeah. I'm glad you didn't catch that. But some of the friends I was with were throwing shade as they say, but you know, but we'll move on. But there was an aspect that the, the, the simple white black, or, sorry, white black. The red black gave me some, twin peaks Vibes. Yes. The red. The

Jamie:

red, yeah. Yeah, the

Kurt:

red carpet. The red room So speaking of, old favorites, coffee sketch, podcast favorites. But anyway, there's a lot of cool, cool attitude in that, in that show. And, and then, and so now I, I need to, pay up. So it's time to up, you

Jamie:

pay up and, and let's, let's talk some

Kurt:

sketches. Yeah. So, you know, it's a, a similar vein and I'm gonna, let's see what this, we'll start with this view, kind of the overall, we may zoom in, probably zoom into a couple of these. As we get going, but there's a little bit of a theme and we're drawing from Jamie's sketches here

Jamie:

and Kurt's dream, apparently that got inspired from the sketches and sort of the the, the, the last couple conversations. So as an, there's an outtake for that. and if you were listening to the show before the show, maybe that's a, that's a new thing. The show before the

Kurt:

show. there's always a show before the show

Jamie:

but, yeah. So some sketches on a theme. definitely some thoughts here, related to the peripheral and, and, and from an architectural term, sort of the concept of figure and field. so it's. You know, the all three are figure, drawing, ask images, that dissolve into landscapes and form. the first one that you pulled up is, I think one of the ones that I really like. Of the three, the best from a process standpoint. it's not, and because it's not a sketch that I can remember myself doing. in this kind of a way in terms of constructing it. the other two are, are ones that I've definitely experimented with before. Mm-hmm. but this one in particular was literally letting the body become elements of the geometry and using sort of the position of the form to. like, almost like a gesture drawing. so to bring it back to kind of artistic terms is, you know, oftentimes, and you can actually see some underlying sketch lines in, in the figure itself that start to suggest sort of the, the energy of the body and through the spine and and whatnot. So,

Kurt:

Well, it's like a, a matrix, kinda a matrix vibe. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we, we often kind of refer back to our favorite themes from film and tv and, and I think I, I, I kind of pick up what you're saying in the, the, here, let me use my, my highlighter. you know, the fact that this figure is, is, and, and I think that is a good difference between the other two sketches, is that you haven't quite done something like this where like there's this sort of, backup or, you know, sort of backdrop to the figure that is sort of like in this interconnected nature to the human figure. that has the, the sort of abstract nature, which, so if we've talked about the peripheral TV show in the past, recently, recent past, and, these three pick, these three sketches kind of like attracted me to that conversation. And the, you know, the, the, the, the sort of merging of what we can familiarize ourself. The human form and then the abstract sort of texture behind

Jamie:

it. Right. It, it's, it's, yeah, it's trying to, I mean, aside from the gesture and sort of the, the, the arc of the body sort of stretching the, you know, the, the, the female form here is sort of standing and stretching and then the arms are kind of above. so there's this sort of natural gestural. but then as it moves from left to right on the page, and of course this is never one of those ones that goes across the spine of the book, the, the form almost becomes pixelated. if you can draw pixelated and it dissolves like you're saying, it, it sort of has this, trying to render the reality and the, and the blending of real and fictional, Space and individual figure and field. and that's, I think that's where, you know, the, the energy of the sketch really kind of went. And I haven't let myself kind of go that way before. Really. Well,

Kurt:

I guess not. Like I

Jamie:

see that, you know, I mean, there's been moments where you kind of get it on the side of the page or something like that, but not where it's really like you were, like you were saying, sort of integrated. Yeah.

Kurt:

Yeah. And, and, and so we, we kind of danced around it a little bit, but the, the idea of like the peripheral and, and then, and then my dream, right? This dream that I had, but I had this strange, this strange sort of dream and it's, it's partly probably cuz these sketches were in my brain watching the TV show was in my head. But the idea in peripheral of using these statue features and these monuments. as carbon scrubbers to a, a future condition that is less hospitable to human form, humans in general. And then this dream, my dream was actually on the optimistic side where you could, this actually was a good thing, at least, that it wasn't like necessarily, reactive, but more proactive. Right? And how maybe we could take advantage of something like that and. And there is this sort of melding of two things. And, and, and so your sketches kind of allude to the, this, this merging.

Jamie:

Well, it it's sort of that, that Matt, Matt Damon moment, on Mars, where he's like, I'm gonna science the shit out of this you know?

Kurt:

Yeah. And well, I, I was trying to pull in some of the other ones. They're a. like you said, different. But yeah, I guess that is maybe the idea.

Jamie:

Well, let's put, let's look at the, let's look at the next two together. Okay.

Kurt:

Good idea. Let's switch here because these, these, I think what you were saying, like kind of lean toward, More of where your previous human. So for those in the art, art world, like, and I'm gonna say this, hopefully Jamie doesn't find a fence, but understands the, the correlation is the, the idea of the reclining nude, which was a theme in, you know, sort of modern art form or. more in the, the painted, painted art form. and, and sort. It, it was something that came across generation after generation and, and sort of like the backdrop and the, the context as in which the human form was placed in mm-hmm. it was relationship to the time that it was drawn in or painted in and. these two, you know, have this idea of like the reclining nude in my mind. And I mean, you know, on the right hand side you have this sort of cathedral or church, you know, aesthetic. and, and maybe a, in the sort of scale juxtaposition. And on the left hand side, maybe it's a little bit of both the first sketch and the last, the third sketch was sort of abstraction of the space between. but then at the scale, right, the, it's not necessary. The, the typical reclining nude is an interior painting, somebody on a couch or a chaise lounge or something like that in a, in a, in a interior, parlor or, you know, a space, a scale inside of a building. Whereas these are outside in the same sort of super. of, you know, know not knowing what the foreground in the background is. Is that right?

Jamie:

No, it's, it's, I mean, I mean, I, I can't explain it any better. I mean, I think that those are, it's the, the way that you're sort of grabbing the, the elements of the sketch and talking through concepts is spot on. I. I've always found that the, the figure is an opportunity to explore scale, and to explore the nature of space. and the, and I think that there's, you know, kind of rendering that space as everything is to. is kind of one approach and that's sort of what you've been sort of describing as sort of the traditional way. And I've found that in my sketches, even though that's a lot of them started out that way. in past sketches, the ones of late have sort of changed, my kind of viewpoint on it where I'm kind of exploring this idea of what if the figure suddenly gets as big as the architecture or. You're not necessarily sure kind of where you are in space, as you're kind of looking at and sort of trying to, interrogate the scene, you know, trying to understand it. and so that sort of idea of super scale, you know, in the last episode we talked about Super Studio, you know, kinda archigram moments, things like that. And I, you know, it's funny. You know what's old is new again. moment is there was a, a seminar at, here in Austin, maybe a week ago, a symposium on AI generated architecture and design. you would've been completely up Kurt's alley. He would've been like in attendance. Absolutely. if he was living here and we, roles were reversed or locations were reversed, I was interested in it too, admittedly, but, you know, when I saw it, it was already kind of like, it was already, you know, too far gone. I wasn't necessarily gonna make it. But what was interesting that one of the speakers mentions like this whole kind of concept of inflatables. And sort of inflatable architecture. And I don't know if it was them trying to kind of make light of what's going on in the news now with like balloons in the sky and, you know, whatever. or maybe that's just the way my mind went. But what was funny was, you know, I'm looking at this, this, you know, this post about this architect and designer speaking very seriously about inflatables and, and architecture. and they're talking about it as if it's like a brand new concept, like brand spanking new. And I'm like in the sixties, like, you know, late sixties, early seventies where you had all these kind of civil rights revolutions and you know, not just in the US but you know, in France and in Europe and in other locales. and you had architects and artists and designers. you know, pushing that envelope as well. You had a studio like Carl Pinal literally playing with inflatables that they inhabited in the streets in Europe. you know, and that's like 50 years ago, you know, before either one of us was born, you know? And so I, I just, I see that kind of stuff and I'm. You know? Yes. It's still valid. Yes. It's still a design impulse, but come on, you know, like, know your history too. Yeah. You know, and this isn't like the old guy saying, Hey, know your history. But it's like, come on, as an artist, I wanna know about all those things. you know, because I want, I wanna take them as influences, like you were just sort of describing about this figure drawing exercise and. how do I turn it on its head and explore it in a different way that's relevant to me and the things that, that I'm, you know, interested in today, while at the same time acknowledging, you know, those that came before too.

Kurt:

Yeah, I agree. And you know, it's funny, the, that sounded like an interest. Topic for a symposium or presentation, given the light or in light of all the, it's funny how fast the stuff does move, right? Ai, you know, chat, G P T and then all the other visual or art-based, AI engines and things like that, or algorithms, I don't know what to necessarily call it, but, but yeah, to, to, you gotta know your history. And I think that's one key thing in, in any creative aspect is to know where you, where it came from, right? Where, where, where influences came. and, and I mean, you know, co, co MK is, it's not that long ago you No,

Jamie:

go back that far. And I don't mean it from a gatekeeping kind of way where you have to know that, you know, as sort of price of entry to the discussion, but you know, don't act like you just came up with it on your own, you know? I would rather somebody know about that. and it completely improve upon it in a way that it feels brand new. I mean, that to me, that's, that's saying something, you know. but I, look, I looked at, and that was the, and I say this because I looked at the image and went, coop not only had inflatables, but they also. You know, they, they had, you know, it was like, you know, it was architecture that, you know, architecture must burn, was their quote. I mean, right. All contemporized with their inflatable stuff that in ended up influencing archigram and, you know, multitude of other architects. It's, you, you, you gotta acknowledge that a little.

Kurt:

I feel like there was something about that generation, you know, Wolf Wolf. Pre pre pricks. Pre

Jamie:

it's pre, but I, I wanna go pricks too. Yeah. Cuz you know, my pronunciation problem,

Kurt:

terrible. He would, he would be so mad. But Wolf pre from Co. Tom Main, Eric Owen Moss, Zaha probably to a degree. and. I'm sure a handful. Others are all of the same generation influencing each other. I mean, to me, what, when, what I got out of the exposure of who these people were in architecture and what they were exploring when I was a student was that they were kind of riffing off each other, and it wasn't necessarily about competition, but more about pushing each other. along right? By doing their own thing. And I feel like a lot of that there or there's that kind of nature of encouragement through creative endeavor has kind of gotten lost in the profession. And that may be something we should probably put, you know, park for another conversation because it probably will take an hour or. To, to dig into, but you just by bringing up your ideas on, you know, the inflatables and, and, and the creative outlet and, and these things, it's sort of dredges up these ideas that in me, that the process is, is sort of diverging a little bit away from some of the, you know, the beneficial creative. collaborative nature, but, and, and, and it is interesting how we start from where we started with these three sketches about like scale of human, you know, the relationship of human to architecture or the human to environment, and sort of turned into an segue that's going to definit. Appear, we're gonna have to park that for a minute and talk about it in the future. But,

Jamie:

well, and then, and then, so here's the, you know, and I'll, I'll leave this as sort of the, the, the question for anybody who actually is, listening to this in the, the near, the near time, not in the, in the, in the far future, but, so can anyone guess what the space is and the sketch that's on the screen? So the third sketch. the more classical architecture that, Kurt is pointing out as sort of the backdrop scale, of course is sort of interesting in relationship to the figure. you have a Cena taf, clear Cena Taf kind of in the foreground of the cathedral, so there's probably a piazza in front. I'm giving some clues here. and then cathedral in the backdrop. yeah. Yeah. So I'll say it's, say it's, I'll say it's in Italy. Mm-hmm. and that's as far as I'm gonna go in terms of clues. So can someone name the Piazza we're looking to?

Kurt:

Yeah. Our live, our

Jamie:

live audience. Yeah. Well, it doesn't have to be, doesn't have to be the live audience. It could be, it could be the, the, the podcast audience as well. We'll, we'll give you a couple days, and then we'll, we'll let you know. But this one was fun.

Kurt:

Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks Jimmy.