135 - Archinktober Recap Part 3

Kurt Neiswender: 0:32

Hey Jamie, how you doing

Jamie Crawley: 0:36

Hey buddy. I'm, I'm good. Is good.

Kurt Neiswender: 0:39

Oh, the the before, I know the, the first time in a long time, the before show is going to probably become a show.

Jamie Crawley: 0:49

Yeah, I think so. I think that's gonna be like, you know, like when. You know when like in Star Wars, they talk about that Christmas episode, like, um, it's sort of like people aren't sure if it really happened or not, because it like happened once and they apparently never ever aired it again. I kind of want to think that like, what we just was sort of that um, piece of magic. Yeah, it was magic. It was magic. And I, and I think, I think it's, I think it's going to be one episode 136.

Kurt Neiswender: 1:28

So yeah. And that, you know, just stats stats, it's wrecking them up. The

Jamie Crawley: 1:37

cause we have goals, people, we have goals, the numbers, the numbers don't really matter what they sort of do. And if you know, you know.

Kurt Neiswender: 1:51

We've had probably one of our best years, I think, so far. Yes. I mean, you know, if you're, if you're going by the numbers, they're all fantastic.

Jamie Crawley: 2:00

But, you know, yes, they're all, they're all great. And the sketches, I mean, gosh, that, that guy. Yeah.

Kurt Neiswender: 2:08

That guy. Yeah. That guy over there. Wait, I got a point that way over there. Now you're pointing to the wrong guy. I don't do most of the sketches. I do like 0. 1%. There's another step for it. So,

Jamie Crawley: 2:29

but there's a new year coming. There's a new

Kurt Neiswender: 2:31

year coming. So yeah, resolutions,

Jamie Crawley: 2:34

resolutions, there could be some. Extra sketches in there. Circle square. Now I will tell you one of my goals for next year is for you to fully participate in arc October.

Kurt Neiswender: 2:48

I have 12 months. 11 months. You do To, to, to warm up to that. I, I, I appreciate I take the challenge.'cause I actually was gonna, so we we're gonna wrap up talking about ARC October today.'cause there's just a few more sketches we couldn't, couldn't leave out. And then yeah, I, I, I do look, I did when I was setting up for today and looking at. The month of sketches that you created. And I was like, man, I wanna do that too, you know? So those are some more hashtag goals for you.

Jamie Crawley: 3:24

Yeah, I mean, I mean, think about it, this year we were, we were able, I mean, we were able to sketch together, like we did like a, a sketch walking tour together in San Francisco. That was, I mean, that was a lot of fun. That was a goal. I mean, that was fun. You know, we

Kurt Neiswender: 3:38

started five years, but

Jamie Crawley: 3:41

yeah, well,

Kurt Neiswender: 3:42

there was also

Jamie Crawley: 3:42

more than that, but yeah, a global pandemic in there too, buddy. So, you know,

Kurt Neiswender: 3:47

yeah, but we were outdoors. So,

Jamie Crawley: 3:49

you know, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying the sketch. I'm saying the delay,

Kurt Neiswender: 3:55

like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll take it. The

Jamie Crawley: 4:00

That's backing you up. That was me backing you up. So I was like, I was like a wing. I was like a wing man right there. Speaking of wing man, like I hear, yeah. Your grandmother might be a really good wing man. Is that what, is that what you're trying to tell me?

Kurt Neiswender: 4:19

Well,

Jamie Crawley: 4:20

not for me, not for me folks. Not for me. This is not about me. This is about

Kurt Neiswender: 4:25

extended family. Yeah, Sam, I know you're listening. And you know, so feel free to answer via comments you know, feedback you know, if you, if you want to come onto the show and talk about, you know, but we're all, we're all, we're all wondering, have you a favorite lady? Oh, I can't wait for him to hear that. So, so gran, we call her gran, right? So Danielle's my spouse's grandmother, who is also her cousin, Sam's grandmother, right? Cause that's how family trees work.

Jamie Crawley: 5:09

And, and folks, I did get a genealogy before we, we jumped into this episode. So I am

Kurt Neiswender: 5:14

all caught up. It's all legit, 23andMe, all that, birth certificates, all that stuff. So, so Gran Gran, Gran got to take Sam out to, to dinner and you know, catching up with, you know, a young, young grandson of hers. And she just wants to know a little bit about his love life, you know? And so, you know, the question remains. Have you a favorite lady? Yeah, I don't I don't quite pronounce or like, you know spin it cuz grant we I forgot to I was trying to mention the Jamie Yeah, so she grew up in the south in Houston around around the corner from where Jamie is

Jamie Crawley: 6:03

maybe by a couple hours So is there like an accent that you're trying like in your brain? You're hearing the action.

Kurt Neiswender: 6:11

I can't quite Deliver deliver it quite like grand does plus facial expressions. You know, it's great. It's fantastic So so we have a little subtitle Well, it's a little joke for for Sam a good a good listener and friend friend of the show

Jamie Crawley: 6:31

So but it but if you've but if you've tuned in and you're wondering Why the title it it is That's why. This is actually, though, part

Kurt Neiswender: 6:41

three. Right, yeah. I couldn't help myself.

Jamie Crawley: 6:45

Of the Arcingtober wrap up. So this is kind of like the leftovers, but as we all know. Thanksgiving's around the corner. And turkey leftovers.

Kurt Neiswender: 6:59

Yeah, with mayo. You know, I actually re listened to that episode. We've already talked about that. Are we doing this again? I thought about that. We're going to save that for next week. Okay. But, but the yeah, yeah. Just leave that, leave that hanging, hanging out there. But the,

Jamie Crawley: 7:21

next week's episode will be about cuisine, folks.

Kurt Neiswender: 7:24

Cuisine. Fine dining. Fine dining. So how, how, how do you eat your turkey? So, Before we talk about the couple of sketches that we wanted

Jamie Crawley: 7:35

to wrap up with. I have a question for you. How is The Feud? Are you guys friends?

Kurt Neiswender: 7:49

You know, I've sent out a couple of invites to join me at Some desk crits and excuses are being made as to non attendance. So I'll just leave that there.

Jamie Crawley: 8:05

Okay. All right. We've got a lot to get to in this episode, folks. So I'm just going to leave that there as well.

Kurt Neiswender: 8:12

Thank you. Fantastic. I don't have you, have you caught up on any, any news from their camp? Is there any continual shade?

Jamie Crawley: 8:22

I, I have not, but they have, they have, they have pivoted here very recently to a far more polished and technical. Almost, dare I say, like, continuing education, um, aspect to some of their podcasts. And true, yeah. And I will say it's quite good. I, I, you know for, for, for for those who are wondering who the hell are they talking about? If you go back to what episode was it for us? It was like a rando episode for them. It was episode 300, but the Arca speak 27 or something like that. Yeah. So just a couple of episodes back, but Arca

Kurt Neiswender: 9:04

speak

Jamie Crawley: 9:06

The guys who've been doing this for over 10 years and we've admired their work for quite some time. They're doing, they're always sort of innovating a little bit and I have to say it's, it's good. So yeah. Shout out to that. Yeah, you know, cheers with, with my coffee in hand. Yeah, you know,

Kurt Neiswender: 9:23

that one's for you, Cormac, you know, Cormac has a nice camera. Yeah, he has, it makes him look good. That sounds, that sounds a little petty too. Oh, wow. You

Jamie Crawley: 9:37

like, I,

Kurt Neiswender: 9:41

yeah, but I'm, I'm in all seriousness. Now that it's a, it's a. The image, the image quality they're producing is, is enviable is what I meant. So what are you drinking then in, in the mug? Let's, let's just

Jamie Crawley: 9:58

swiftly move on. Yeah. Swiftly move on. Cause I got kind of weird and awkward there for a moment. But yeah, no, I'm, I'm still with the the black and bold, um, The dark roast that I was telling you about, it's what I didn't mention the last time is that it's, it's, it's one of the fair trade coffees, but it's from from Ethiopia. And the, the thing about it that I was saying to you that you got kind of all excited about. And I still haven't been able to kind of describe is it's chocolate and blueberry notes. And you got seemed to get super excited about the berry stuff, but I'm thinking that that relates to your affinity for berry kiss from our friends over at rootless. Yeah.

Kurt Neiswender: 10:41

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And actually, well, I don't want to talk about it cause you'll be mad, but light bright too, was had a little bit of that too. I will I'll, I'll, I'll repair.

Jamie Crawley: 10:57

It is a season of giving, it is a season of giving, you know, it's

Kurt Neiswender: 11:01

true, it's true. So I shouldn't have brought that up. It's a sore subject. Yep. It's a trait, bad trait. So, I'm actually, I had to dip into our own supply of Coffee Sketch Coffee. Plus, you had one, you had one last time, and I was like, ah, you know, I haven't had some in a while. So that's what I'm working with. And it is, it is a good one. I wonder what do you, what, what kind of holiday gift do you give a guy who makes coffee? So, you know, Sean and the folks over at rootless, I feel like. I owe him a thank you of some kind. Well, I mean... Pencil? Pen? You know, like an architect?

Jamie Crawley: 11:51

No, that's a gift for yourself, buddy. You're buying for yourself. Yeah, you're shopping for yourself. We're not doing that, yeah. This is not that part of the show. Well, we can't, you could, and I have, I have asked he was a little stumped by it, um, but I have asked our good friend John. If he has any recipe suggestions for using our coffee in a cocktail. Oh, right. So maybe, so maybe you could make Sean like a, like a gift basket of like, Well, Ingredients or something.

Kurt Neiswender: 12:33

You know, there's a lot of synergy with working with them because, you know, Sean does. Like to wear black black t shirts and you know, like the one that you got on right there is a black t shirt Yeah, I know. Yeah

Jamie Crawley: 12:53

Whole gift basket, you know, yeah, I'm telling you I think that's the way to go.

Kurt Neiswender: 12:59

I got handed Some some pizza homemade pizza, so I'm sorry Jamie if this makes you jealous

Jamie Crawley: 13:09

Yeah, I gotta go eat soon. So I guess I'm gonna speed up this

Kurt Neiswender: 13:13

episode. Keep it keep it keep it moving Yeah, the yeah all good ideas. We got the coffee. We got the banter. It's now time for the

Jamie Crawley: 13:24

sketches

Kurt Neiswender: 13:27

So actually to kind of launch things here. Let's go. Let's go this direction first Let's give, you know, give a little love to our friend, our friend Tinkerbell. Yes. This is, because this will be easy, but do you remember the prompt that came from this day?

Jamie Crawley: 13:50

Well, I thought, I thought, I thought I knew what it was, but then I had to look. I had, I do have my cheat sheet, folks. I apologize, but I do know what it is. And so it was the 50s. Oh,

Kurt Neiswender: 14:05

So that's cool.'cause you get the

Jamie Crawley: 14:07

Eames lounge chair. I do

Kurt Neiswender: 14:09

have the Eames lounge chair. Yeah. In behind. Yeah. Okay. Which

Jamie Crawley: 14:13

both Tink and Zuko both love all the animals. And it's totally fine. I mean, like, you know, I, I am not I'm not somebody where the animals are not allowed. Into chairs or sofas or things like that, because they want to sit next to, you know, me or family or anybody that's visiting. So, yeah, so, yeah, exactly. So this is Tink on the Ottoman and. Which is sort of her favorite spot. Usually the cat will occupy the other portion

Kurt Neiswender: 14:46

of the chair.

Jamie Crawley: 14:48

So but Tink will, you know, you know, kind of sort of sit, sit pretty on the ottoman from time to time. And that's, that's her spot. So

Kurt Neiswender: 14:59

that's cool. The it's fun because we talk about she's, she's always around. Yep. Oh, she's here. Yeah, under foot or under desk things like that. And I, I recognize, well, I've seen, I've seen Tinkerbell in on camera. I don't know. Some people may have seen her too, but I'm familiar. So I, I, I knew who this was in the sketch. And, you know, to talk about the sketch itself, it's kind of fun. So Tinkerbell is a black dog, a puggle, right? Or,

Jamie Crawley: 15:35

right. Or she's

Kurt Neiswender: 15:36

a pt? pt,

Jamie Crawley: 15:38

which is pug, what's the word? And Italian Greyhound. Oh, oh, cool. Yeah, it was a, I don't, I've seen too many of those. It was a it was a, an affair, unintended match in it was a love, it was just a, a, a, you know, she was born

Kurt Neiswender: 15:58

outted, or No,

Jamie Crawley: 15:59

no. Requited. Quite requited. Yeah. She was, she was quite requited. Like, yeah, mom and dad apparently, apparently the folks that we, we, we, we got them from a they had some show dogs and, you know, pure breads and this and that, whatever. And this was the. Surprise! And she's, and so she was the runt and she was, she was beautiful and she is she's a

Kurt Neiswender: 16:28

special puppy. So is that how you, did you get her from, from puppy

Jamie Crawley: 16:33

from this whole? Oh yeah, yeah, I've had her since she was like six weeks old.

Kurt Neiswender: 16:37

Oh yeah, yeah. I, I've, I've had one dog. From, from, you know, six weeks and yeah, the longer, I mean, not that the other two dogs that I got a little later in their own lives, but there, when you go through that whole puppy phase, it's a lot, a lot of bonding.

Jamie Crawley: 17:00

They, they imprint on you pretty quick. And then and, and at the time too, is that she, and I've told you this, I don't know if I said it on the podcast too much, but, so, you know, very, very young puppy coming to a house with a very old cat. And so the very old cat, the very old cat who's no longer with us, Peter Pan. And that's why she's named Tink. So Peter Pan, Peter Pan did love his dogs though. And so Peter Pan trained Tink. And so Tink has some very cat ish. teNdencies about her She's very cat dog.

Kurt Neiswender: 17:38

Oh, that's, that's kind of interesting. Yeah. But she's great. Nature versus nurture,

Jamie Crawley: 17:44

right? Oh, yeah. Well, and, and now she has her own nature and nurture. She, she got a kitten, which was like an interesting experiment, kind of going the other direction. Mm-Hmm. And she's very protective of him. But at the same time, you know, doesn't want to be bothered by him.

Kurt Neiswender: 18:04

Yes. Well, that's cool. If you know, and I bring up, so she, you know, tink tinks, a black, black for maybe a little, little gray, little gray here and there, but the way you've rendered the sketch, she's almost like. You know, heavily rendered with the, the chair with a lot of rendering because it's a leather. I mean, I'm sure a lot of our listeners are aware of an Eames what the Eames lounge chair looks like, but for those are not as familiar, you know, it's a, it's, it's definitely, it's a mid century icon of furniture. That has a really cushy leather padding with a bent plywood frame or base and the shape of it. I mean, like it's 1 of those things, like you know, we talked about game shows before we got really going and you know, there's name that tune, right? You know, people try and vie to like name musical songs in few, the fewest notes possible. Architects probably could play a game about name that. Chair or building in as few, say, few pixels as possible. Yeah, this is this is how many little bits of detail do we need to like call

Jamie Crawley: 19:27

something out? Yeah, I mean in this particular instance like the Eames Charles and Ray, I mean, it's, it's the, you know, the, this is a seminal work from them and like you say, it's, it's, you know, you don't need very much of it to identify it and it is super comfy. But, you know, for me also, just as, you know, I know that we've, we, you and I've talked is that we, you know, have a lot of listeners who are kind of younger architecture students. And, you know, talking about trajectory of career and whatnot, but it's, what's funny to me is like when I finally decided I want to be an architect, you know, and I was, you know, several years into architecture school and decided, yes, yeah, I'm going to be an architect. One of the, one of the cool things that we had. In our, we had a, a very small library in our architecture school, so we had the you way, the main library, and Kurt and I have, you've heard us talk about the library and going to the library and we love that pulling out books and just sitting there on the, you know, amidst the stacks and looking at all the stuff. But the architecture school also had its own little tiny little library with a lot of you know, rare works. But they also had a lot of donated furniture. So, so they had amazing collection of architecture architect designed pieces of furniture. And so that was my really my first exposure to this chair, as well as many others. And then of course you know take all the history classes and whatnot and you kind of, you know, you recognize it, but the short of it was. I told myself kind of, kind of made like one of those like quiet promises to yourself is like when I get out of school and like I'm a grown up in my own mind, you know, when I, when I decide I'm going to like really buy like, like a piece of furniture, like this is it like this is going to be the first one that like is a deliberate furniture, like, not just out of necessity, but like out of like. I am buying something as an art piece, but also something that's functional. Like I said, I mean, the animals are on it. It's got scratches. It's totally fine with me. I love this chair. But that, this was it. And so I've had it for a really long time and I just yeah, it's.

Kurt Neiswender: 22:00

It's a part of the life. I'm glad we picked this sketch. Or we landed on this, because it has a lot of interesting elements of sentimentality that I didn't really... It is not what initially drew me in. I mean, obviously, you know... Tinkerbell is a family pet of yours. So, you know, there's a natural affinity or sentimentality, but then the coupled with the chair, which I would totally agree. Like, it's also like I'm not going to say bucket list because I'd rather not be dead and have the chair. I'd rather be still alive and be able to sit in it. iT's on the, it's on the list of, and even Danielle's into it too, but we're trying to find the right one because there, there's different color, color ways or palette you know, the, the plywood, the base, the cushion, the leather, you know, what are the materials and obviously. Secondhand for us is kind of a tactic too, right? You know, finding it somewhere secondhand. So then you got to kind of weigh out quality conditions and things like that. But yeah, it's one of those things too, for me, it's, it would be equally, you know, like, like how you were like, I, I, I gotta have it. And so it's kind of nice to see the, in, in, in one sketch, right. You have like the two forms of like this sentimentality or, there's a deeper meaning, you know, related to the objects in the, in the sketch, the subject of the sketch. So it's kind

Jamie Crawley: 23:46

of fun. Well, I mean, and just, just as, you know, this is sort of like the, like deeper dive fun fact which you probably know, but especially if you guys have been scouring spots for them or thinking about it. Is they altered this chair from the original. So Herman Miller now produces it. But the original chair, the the legs, there was one less leg. And so if you go to secondhand shops and find one where it is one less leg, then it's, then it's really old. Yeah, like it's like, you know, and I don't know what the I do. I will say I don't know what year they switched that. But that that can help you kind of like predate some of some of the things. So you might be finding a really cool find you know, antique shop, you know, secondhand store, that kind of stuff. But yeah, no, for sure. The other thing too is, yeah you know, think about that a lot of furniture companies you know, love practicing architects, um, and give fairly deep discounts. That's true. So it's you would be surprised. At, you know, and if so, if you have a good furniture rep the other thing too, with the furniture reps is that if you are getting it from like factory direct, like a Herman Miller kind of thing is that the furniture reps don't pay. Shipping and, and you get a discount. So you've got your, your industry as an architect discount.

Kurt Neiswender: 25:32

Right. But then, but then it's pretty significant, like you

Jamie Crawley: 25:36

said. Yeah. Cause I mean, they're like shipping a chair like that. I mean, wow. You know what I mean? You know, from the factory, that's, that's a lot, you know, that's a lot on top of the, you know, the ticket price. So yeah, there's, there's ways to do it. As I'm, as I'm telling you how to shop.

Kurt Neiswender: 25:52

No, I appreciate it. I, it's a good reminder. It's not been on, like, the front burner of my mind, lately, to seek Funny enough, like, this neighbor of mine, Right next door is moving to Alaska. And so there's selling and giving away a lot of things. And I caught it too late, but they on Facebook marketplace had a version of the Eames chair with a light tan leather that they had listed. I mean, you know, there's plenty of knockoffs to, like, let's say not knock. Well, I mean, it's kind of a knock, but like, you know, unlicensed Herman non Herman Miller, which is fine, or at least, you know, they exist. So I had no chance to verify. And then I came home and I was pulling in the driveway because we share a driveway. Somebody was loading it into their

Jamie Crawley: 26:57

car and I was like, did you weep?

Kurt Neiswender: 27:01

I Well, I wish. Did you, did you, did you, did you fall

Jamie Crawley: 27:03

to your knees

Kurt Neiswender: 27:04

and just start weeping? Well, I, I kind of wished I had a chance, had caught it a little sooner. I didn't, I, I had, I had had no idea this neighbor even would own a chair. Like

Jamie Crawley: 27:23

just, it sounds kind of judgey.

Kurt Neiswender: 27:29

It's a little judgy, I guess. I mean, you know, they're cool, but like, I just, you know, didn't, didn't think it was that bad.

Jamie Crawley: 27:36

Gosh, I didn't know. I mean, judgy.

Kurt Neiswender: 27:41

All right, let's move on, man. I don't want to talk about me anymore. The well, since... Let's how about we, we've got, we're, we're pushing into an hour here.

Jamie Crawley: 27:54

Okay. So we'll, we'll, we'll, how about we do this one? This is

Kurt Neiswender: 27:57

a good one. Can I pick this one?

Jamie Crawley: 27:59

Yeah, you can pick this one. I like

Kurt Neiswender: 28:00

this one. Cause it's been it actually, it's been in the back of my mind since we did the first. Branch of this, you know, the 1st episode of our October and you know, Kurt loves a cantilever loves a good tippy building, you know, something that looks like it's going to tip over and also loves a good folly. So, you know, if this. Is both a two and one even better, but is, so is this a real building or it is, it is, oh, that's even better. So you're like, oh, wow. But it's not one that I'm familiar with. So that's like, you know,

Jamie Crawley: 28:44

not one of mine. I wish, gosh, I wish this was mine. This is fabulous.

Kurt Neiswender: 28:49

So what, where, who,

Jamie Crawley: 28:51

how, so this is in Canada, you got OA Yeah. Yeah. A So Brian McKay Lyons. Oh McKay Lyons, sweet Apple. Oh, that's, yeah. Architects. Yeah. And so they, um, they host, I still think they'd still do it. There was a, a long period of time where architects were very interested in. And this sort of came out of a variety of different, you know, architects of the 80s and 90s that were, you know, trying to build things and kind of get people thinking about critical regionalism and vernacular architecture and how things are made and craft. And Glenn Mercutt, you know, is famous for, you know, having sort of these workshops where he would, you know, bring people to Australia and do, you know, and these are workshops for like, you know, practicing mid career architects. I mean, this wasn't like, you know, you're fresh out of school,

Kurt Neiswender: 30:02

like a master class. I wanted to. I wanted to, uh, pay for one of Glenn Merkitt's masterclasses years. Oh, yeah. And 10

Jamie Crawley: 30:12

years ago. Yeah. I mean, so I

Kurt Neiswender: 30:14

got a veto, but

Jamie Crawley: 30:16

in the same vein is that. Brian McKay Lyons, a very accomplished architect in Canada, um, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland Halifax area, so the maritime provinces, um, where he's from hosts a ghost lab. And so the, so the ghost lab is where architects and, you know, would descend on some property that that he had from his family and, um, and they would build these series of follies and structures, you know, and, and kind of explore kind of that native vernacular. You know, the maritime provinces, you know, similar to sort of Finnish traditions, you know, it's boat building and, you know, that sort of carpentry and craft. And so you see this in that sketch and there's actually two follies there kind of, you know, kind of dotted along the coastline, almost like watch towers, right? And, and as you said, it's got a. Almost that anti gravity kind of appearance to it of, you know, severe cantilevers and it's all sort of balloon framing you know, done in a really kind of interesting way to kind of create pattern and shade and shadow, um, and then, you know, and then sort of the quick landscape, you know, this is sort of that sketch where it's like, you know, just really, really quick, um, in this particular one I actually you see there with the pencil and the pen I, I know this project really, really well. I, I met, I met him before my One of my mentor profs, I have, you know, two that I consider very strong mentors. One who's, who's passed has written a definitive work about McKay lines early on in his career. And, and brought him to Texas to, to lecture and, and, and teach for a little while as well, but. I got to meet him during that, that, some of that time and yeah, so I, I did, I, so I did this sketch like super quick with pencil and then went back in and just really just sort of blocking it in because it's, it's such a dynamic. You really feel like you're on a precipice, like, like the edge of the page, the, the center of the page the binding of the book is like, it's going to fall off into the sea and they, they use these towers kind of dot, you can imagine that there's a series of these forever. So it has a very futuristic, futuristic quality, even the materials themselves are really, really simplistic. And, and I, and I just sort of love that about the scale and the space that's sort of created by

Kurt Neiswender: 33:04

it. I've seen a lot of McKay Lions. You know, their stuff just winds up being so good that it went, it winds up in the magazines. And because the detailing, right, the Detroit, like you said, the choice of materials are not always, you know, they're not always super fancy. But the way they assemble it is so critical to the, the expression, like, you know, it's very simple wood or sometimes metal or, you know, core 10 finds a way concrete, but the way they detail them, they come together. And, and so the ones in the, in the, the, some of the stuff I would imagine the, some of the buildings I've seen in the, in the magazines are. Related to this sort of ghost lab stuff, but there's a sort of like, strange, I've not been that far north, you know, to, to, to visit, but, you know, this sort of strange rural, you know, the maritime you're talking about. So there's a ruralness to it or remoteness, but then there's also a sort of village. Attitude because of, you know, they're, you know, you, you create a little campus or village, you know, of adjoining neighboring structures that are supporting each other, you know, as far as the occupants, the owners, things like that. And and then, and maybe some get a little farther apart, you know, as they sprinkle to the edge. And, and depending on topography too, I mean, you know, when you're dealing with the landscape, you know, you're, you don't get the flat urban site, you know, you're, you're, you got to deal with what, what exists, you know, up there, rocky, beachy, you know, hilly stuff like that. Windy, yeah. Windy. Yeah. Orientation and stuff. Yeah. So yeah, no, it's, it's, it's cool. I'm glad that. It wound up being, and it's not, like I said, not 1 that I was familiar with, but

Jamie Crawley: 35:17

well, and I like to look, I like, I like that you picked up on sort of the community aspect. Of of how these things you know, find themselves and sort of that regional vernacular and, and you and I both sort of. were in school when critical regionalism was like the hot theory and and it was and it wasn't like we were learning about it in the past. It was like that's what that's what everybody was sort of fumbling with at the time. But what was interesting about. Brian, when he sort of, you know, talked about his work and talked about this place and how his, you know, familial connection and friends and family and, you know, all, you know, it, it was, and he's, you know, he's, he's in, he's lecturing kind of in Texas, he's talking about Canada. And he's got this sort of work that's really familiar in a sense even, even where we were, and, you know, with the landscape, there was still a relationship to the landscape and to place, and, you know, one of the things he pointed out, he's like, it's, it's this thing about, you know, the community coming together to build the barn, you know, and, and that's sort of the way he envisioned these ghost labs was that, These architects you know, who, you know, maybe had never built anything like with their hand, like, literally with their hands we're going to kind of come together and build these structures and they've, they build a series of different things. And some of the projects aren't always, you know, in this. This sort of, you know, landscape, you know, some of them are, you know, in other locations, but it's, I, that resonated with me, you know, it's like, and I think it resonated with a lot of people and you know, my family, you know, kind of, you know. Half of my family, we've talked about family a lot at the sort of the very beginning of this episode, but you know, my family, my mom's family kind of, you know, when they immigrated from Ireland, this is the part of the country in Canada that they, that they, that they settled in to, to begin with. And it's, it's sort of fascinating to me to kind of see these things, to hear people talk about it. And then to find myself where I am in my career. You know, when I learned about the ghost lab, I was so jealous. This is that FOMO moment for me. And yeah, because it really was, it was sort of like, am I ever going to get to do a project like this? And. You know, I, when I finally, and I have to say, when I finally found the right client at the right time, I was able to do one folly, um, in Wimberley, Texas, um, that, that had elements of this as the inspiration. buT again, it was, you know, and that took, you know, years and, and, you know, it was sort of a, you know, a fortuitous moment, but yeah. His work there, his firm's work is pretty remarkable stuff.

Kurt Neiswender: 38:23

We, and we've talked about the Wimberley project a while back. I, I will not remember right now, but I can definitely see the connections and the relationships to that, which is, you know, the influence, right. Involved just like art, right. There's. Lineage to it or in a line of influence. But well, well, we've crested the top

Jamie Crawley: 38:51

of the hour. No, this is good. This was an excellent episode.

Kurt Neiswender: 38:55

Thanks. Thanks. Yeah. Some good

Jamie Crawley: 38:58

leftovers. Yeah, this was good leftovers. This was a good way to wrap it up. So and for those who listen to this and then stay tuned for some fun Thanksgiving stuff, you, you heard the shaky shaky from Tink. So it's, you know what that means. It's time to

Kurt Neiswender: 39:12

go out. It's, it's time. She, she heard, she got the cue. So, all right. Thanks,

Jamie Crawley: 39:18

Jamie.