126 - In the Shade of Snohetta's Blanton

Kurt: 0:32

Hey Jamie, how's it going? Good,

Jamie: 0:36

how are you

Kurt: 0:37

doing? I'm great, I'm always great. I've had, some maple candy.

Jamie: 0:42

Did you? Did you count a few trees on the way back from the

Kurt: 0:45

grocery store? Counted the maple trees,

Jamie: 0:49

you know. All I have to say is Canada has a maple syrup reserve.

Kurt: 0:55

That's right. This is, this is true. We, we, we have talked

Jamie: 0:59

about it. Yes. And, and that's, and that's really all that needs to be said, isn't there? Like, when people say, when people say, oh, well, Vermont. Or, you know, or upstate New York, and I'm just go maple syrup reserve,

Kurt: 1:15

right? Well, let's compare countries, right? You know, Canada has a maple syrup reserve. America has bombs reserve. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of arms. Well, actually, oil, probably.

Jamie: 1:31

Yeah, there's a strategic oil reserve versus strategic maple syrup reserve. I

Kurt: 1:37

know which one I'd rather have.

Jamie: 1:40

Well, yeah, I mean. You know, all the treats. I'd love

Kurt: 1:43

to see the

Jamie: 1:44

reserve. That would be... See, now you're adding things to the, like, the list of,

Kurt: 1:51

like... That's a very architectural topic. It's

Jamie: 1:53

kind of an architecture junkie, like, thing, like, that's like a... I know you're into categories now and like trying to categorize things so like, like, there's the, you know, the star architect, you know, because even though we're not supposed to talk about star architects, there are star architects, and so they build buildings and design things and yes we want to go see them to probably critique them. And then there's. Maple syrup, like here, and then maybe Hoover, maybe like Hoover Dam, like over here. I don't know. I'm just, Golden Gate Bridge, like in that kind of, I don't know.

Kurt: 2:34

In, in, in, in particular order or no particular order? No, no

Jamie: 2:38

particular order. Historic, there's probably some historic artifacts that I'd probably want to go see to,

Kurt: 2:43

Reliquaries, the, the maple, I mean, who wouldn't want to see. The, the, the gargantuan maple reserve, like how many

Jamie: 2:54

gallons, what does this place look like? I mean, like that's the, you know, that's the apple TV plus show. I want to see, right.

Kurt: 3:02

Like, you know, it'd be cool if it was like a cave and the sugar started like, you know, crystallizing, and making all these sugar. Just the lactates.

Jamie: 3:13

Yeah. I mean. You

Kurt: 3:15

need to skip it off and it's rock candy.

Jamie: 3:18

Well, I mean, well, and could you imagine, like, like, now you got me thinking, like, there's, there's this architecture of like, you remember the doom preppers? Like the Y2K doom preppers? Like, not the doom preppers that have existed. Like there's a, there's a whole doom preppers that have existed forever. Right? I'm talking about them because that's, that's a

Kurt: 3:46

whole, like, I don't, that's episodes for another,

Jamie: 3:50

which we're not ever probably going to talk about. And that's not even going to be a subreddit kind of like coffee sketch thing, but then there was like that Y2K moment, like where people were like, you know, how do I convert my house into like a zombie shelter and like get enough, you know, cans of soup or something. So there was that.

Kurt: 4:14

I need more soup. Yeah.

Jamie: 4:16

But then in that same moment, not in that same moment, but later, like. You kind of learned of. Is it in Finland? Maybe I wanna say Finland, maybe Norway. The Seed Bank. The Seed bank. So is the architect of the Seed bank the same architect of the Maple Syrup reserve? Because if they aren't, do they know about each other?

Kurt: 4:42

Right? Is there, well, we have the aia. Is there a. A member group for federal reserve architecture. And we're talking about not reserve. No, we're

Jamie: 4:55

talking about like, like extinction level event, kind of

Kurt: 4:59

like federal, it's like global extinction preparation.

Jamie: 5:05

Yeah. Like, where's that seminar at? The

Kurt: 5:07

convention? That's an interesting segue to, we, you, me and some of our friends at say, ARCA speak, have kind of talked about this show called Silo. Yes. And, did you finish the series, the season? No. I, I haven't. No. Oh, well you don't. No.

Jamie: 5:25

Spoilers please.

Kurt: 5:26

Sports soccer. Yeah. You watch more football than Daniel and I. Cause yeah. finished the first season, it's based off a book, which now I want to read the book because I feel like that seems like it's a good show, but I feel like the book is going to tell us more than the show was capable of, of capturing, but

Jamie: 5:50

did you read William Gibson yet?

Kurt: 5:53

Is that the Peripherals book? Not yet. I'm actually, I picked up, and I got a tangent to what I am reading, which is Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five. Really?

Jamie: 6:10

Had you not read that before?

Kurt: 6:12

Oh, no, I think I probably read it in grade school a long time ago. I read, during the pandemic, I read a couple of Vonnegut books. And... And then I watched a, I think we talked about that, a documentary about him. sort of a biographical documentary.

Jamie: 6:31

No, you hadn't. I mean, I think he's, I think he's a great author. I mean, and sort of a fascinating intellect too. So,

Kurt: 6:38

Strange, but yeah, kind of, yeah, the, the, I don't know. Yeah. The art, the artist, interesting guy. Yeah. His, his life. And, and, And, and how he portrays it in his novels and, and then like this theme of, anyway, that's what I'm reading. I'm going to have to add these other, these, yeah, I'm a, I'm a slow reader, not a slow reader, like, but I just don't pick up books very frequently. Right. Gotcha. How do I put that, you know, because I try, I use, I pick up the, the mouse.

Jamie: 7:16

I, I, I, I will say I, after watching the first part of the new Dune, remember Dune? and knowing there was going to be the second part coming up this year. I, I started re rereading Dune, but it's like, it's kind of dense. Like if you remember, I don't know if you ever read it, but it's pretty dense. So I'm trying to find something that's a little bit faster read to kind of balance it out.

Kurt: 7:52

yeah, it's thick. I don't know if I actually ever, I think it, the, the, the density of that, intimidated me

Jamie: 7:59

Mm-hmm. Did you ever see, do you, did you ever see the first one, like the David Lynch, David Lynch version of Dune?

Kurt: 8:08

I mean, it's been a long time, but yeah. Worth a rewatch by the way.

Jamie: 8:14

It's, it's still pretty good. So still holds up definitely weird, but good.

Kurt: 8:19

So let's see. So anyway, so silo has that, that sort of prepper architecture kind of vibe. The space of the silo. Interesting. You know, anyway, I haven't done any

Jamie: 8:36

sketches. I haven't done any sketches based on, you know, that might be a. Maybe that's coming.

Kurt: 8:42

So, yeah, that'd be a fun one. and actually Cormick over there at ArchiSpeak. now I don't remember the name of it, but he said there was another one on Amazon. I think, that he said was equally visually interesting. Anyway, we have a lot of. There's a lot of interesting visual television like visual eye candy architectural stuff. But anyway, we should that's not necessarily what we planned on talking about today. So no, totally off topic. We could turn steer the ship back toward our main subject. But before that. We should talk about coffee because I brought props props today. I don't have any props, but, little city, the big, the big bag. It's like guava chocolate. El Virgil. What's that all about there?

Jamie: 9:39

guava, strawberry chocolate. and it's doing that sniff test that Kurt's known for now. Famous, famous, yeah. Famous. no, it's, it's actually like, it's, it's. It's kind of build a little bit like a darker roast, but it's really, I don't find it as much of a darker roast. it's, it's a little bit more medium and it's, it's pretty, it's, it's, it, the, the chocolate really kind of comes through a lot more than, you know, when you get those sort of chocolate notes, you usually it's cut by a, a citrus or something like that. In this case, the strawberry doesn't seem to cut it. It, it, it actually, when I think about it, it makes me think of like, chocolate dip strawberry, but where the strawberries aren't super juicy, you know, like when you get them and they're like super juicy and the strawberry just sort of takes over and it's just like an explosion in your mouth and blah, blah, you know, and you're like, ah, you know, whatever. This isn't that. I shouldn't be doing any marketing for this coffee. I'm realizing it's, it's just, it's a really nice, subtle note. I mean, it's like a nice kind of chocolate note all the way through with just a, just a hint of the citrus.

Kurt: 10:52

So you've now turned it, turned it, turned, turned it around,

Jamie: 10:56

turned it around,

Kurt: 10:57

turned it around right there at the end, spun a positive. It sounds interesting though. I, it sounds, sounds, sounds fun. So it for me, I have just my mug, my, my plain mug here, but the, in it is, I ran over to Starbucks. Don't tell Sean. and, and grabbed. Have you seen this? I wonder. I would imagine they have this all around, but it's called the green apron blend. No, the Starbucks people wear those green aprons.

Jamie: 11:29

Yes. Yeah. I've been in Starbucks. Yes.

Kurt: 11:35

So it's called the green apron blend. It's a, I think it's like a medium roast. I don't have the, is it good? The notes on it. It's pretty good. I like it. It's it's not quite so remember now to circle back to our friends at rootless. They have the berry kiss, which has,

Jamie: 11:53

which is, which is like Kurtz, like, like that's Kurtz, like gold star blend start,

Kurt: 11:59

start leading. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and it, it's not quite that it doesn't have that level of sort of fruitiness or that. Tartness and the like a berry flavor, but it's close. It's a milder version of that. I would say at least and, so it's kind of like one of those things that like, I, I'll, I'll enjoy it while it lasts. And then I'm going to go get me a bag of, berry kiss, coffee beans from rootless.

Jamie: 12:30

I'm going to have to go look and see if, if, if I have just, you know, inadvertently missed that. You know, here, so,

Kurt: 12:37

yeah, I first saw about a month ago, I'd say, so I don't know. And, and, anyway, so that's, yeah. I'm sure, I'm sure the guys at rootless would not be mad if, you know, I mix it up every now and then.

Jamie: 12:51

Yeah, go to your Timmy's. You told me about your local Timmy's. And yeah, so

Kurt: 12:56

Tim Horton. So, yeah, so sounds sounds like we're, we're on the same page with that one. And, so before we talk about the sketch. There's a couple of things, so I did a drawing. Are you pointing? Oh, yeah. So, so as a gentle reminder.

Jamie: 13:17

Yeah, gentle reminder that we do have, speaking of rootless and coffee, we, we do have a coffee sketch blend from rootless that is available at that little website down there. Yeah, and in the show notes. so

Kurt: 13:31

it's in the show notes. It's the first thing in the show. Yeah, because logic logic tells me. Put it at the first thing. So, yeah, it's the newest

Jamie: 13:41

thing and it's pretty exciting. So,

Kurt: 13:43

yeah. And so, yeah, so we have, we have, we have our own coffee, which neither of us have yet to try because we are waiting for a special. Okay. Yeah.

Jamie: 13:56

Yeah. Kurt, Kurt has a thing about, Kurt has a thing with the postman. So,

Kurt: 14:03

post person, yes, but and then we also have T shirts and mugs. We have 2 kinds of T shirts. Actually. I don't know if you knew that, Jamie, there's 2 styles. There's the 1 with our original logo and there's also 1, Which I think matches the, the, the coffee that has the same, the same drawing that you did for the, for the coffee, I believe. Yeah,

Jamie: 14:31

both original artwork. So, yeah, very fun.

Kurt: 14:34

Cool. And, so anyway, so yeah, please, please, do that. And so, and then, and then for my thing, which is really just, a drawing. So kind of like building off of our conversation with our, our past, past two episodes, we sat down with. The people at SketchUp. Oh, let me hit play. And, so I have an iPad now. And so I, and SketchUp has now an app for iPad and I created a drawing and. And it may look, well, I don't know, for some, it may look simple. I mean, it's really kind of like a code minimum, foundation detail for Michigan. So, you know, specific, probably specific to our region up here, as far as, you know, reinforcement and energy is, you know, insulation, things like that. But I feel like it's, I did this because it's, it's going to. Maybe turn into some more tutorials and drawings that I want to do to help sort of share information about designing, a good set of drawings and and using, you know, a three dimensional tool like sketch up. And so I drew this, in sketch up and on the iPad and then put together this little video to, showcase how, How useful it can be. So, anyway, so this is, you know, out there on, I posted this on the, the, my business Instagram, you know, Jamie, the business page instead of the personal page, but

Jamie: 16:14

you're saying that to the guy who's like all one thing. So, yeah. Yeah.

Kurt: 16:19

And, so, so I don't know, what do you think? I mean, we did discuss that. Jamie doesn't. Do basements in texas. So this is like a basement foundation.

Jamie: 16:32

You know, I mean, they do exist in texas, but it, but it certainly is

Kurt: 16:37

if you have enough money. Right?

Jamie: 16:39

Well, yeah, I mean, it's and it really is sort of. About the conditions. I mean, part of it's the soil. you know, the, the thing I mean, and the thing about Texas to is, you know, what was funny when, as you said, sort of, you know, sort of a, Michigan centric code minimum it. We don't even have a state code. So, you know, each municipality has their own code, so that makes it, yeah, so I mean, that's a whole Pandora's box of stuff, but, yeah, no, the soil typically for, certain conditions, there's, you know, a lot of it, a lot of Texas is expansive clay. So, you know, if you think about, you know, right now what we're going through with, you know, it's 100 million degrees here, you know, nonstop and as that ground gets, dried out, and then if you have, you know, water kind of surging, you know, with a rain or something like that, you know, the, the, the soil expands and contracts so dramatically, we. and then it's, and it's not even just seasonal, it's, it's, you know, all throughout the year with these sort of different conditions. so it's not related to, you know, you know, a traditional kind of cycle that you would have like in Michigan, you know, where you, you, you know, you have all four seasons kind of at a normal, a relatively normal pace. You know, here we're just, we just don't have that. And so then you add in these kind of unique soil conditions that are present. You know, different in different parts of the state, but you know, predominantly, you're going to have a lot of that kind of expensive clay and, it's not ideal to have things deep in the ground without creating very expensive foundations, to mitigate mitigate the effects of that. And so what you're showing there is, you know, if you have a fairly stable soil. And then you have the ability, like you, like we were just talking about sort of, you know, you said, you know, the basement's a little cooler. Yeah, of course, like that sounds awesome, right? so, you know, having, you know, being born in Canada and knowing, you know, knowing that as well. yeah, we had basements in Canada. I mean. So, you know, it's where

Kurt: 19:01

you keep the maple reserve.

Jamie: 19:02

Yeah, that's where the maple reserve and all the seeds are, you

Kurt: 19:06

know, he said it's a decentralized system. Everybody has everybody. Everybody

Jamie: 19:11

has a little bit of maple reserve. a lot of, you know, everyone's just really, you know, everyone's just in it, you know, to help everybody else.

Kurt: 19:18

That's fine. So, so, I mean, at least to your point on the foundations, Yeah. It does. I will obviously create more than just one foundation detail type, but for us in Michigan, you know, which is interesting about even this process of trying to explain detail in general is, you know, at. How far do you take it, or how small do you keep it? You know, like, where is the appropriate amount of information to share and

Jamie: 19:55

like, even, you know, even what you're showing there kind of as, you know, it's sort of a, a little bit of a kind of a. it's like a little bit of like almost a pedicle pedestal kind of system, right? So you're, you're kind of creating, a little bit of like a spread footing, but it's sort of it's, it's, it's really part of the basement. you know, here, think about it as you almost want to get, there's a lot of, I mean, you know, a really good project, you're going to do a lot of geotech reports. So that you really get some good soil testing, and so that you know what depth you relatively need to get to, to really anchor your building into something. Because that soil up at the top is pretty garbage. Especially if you've got something that you're, you're building relatively big or relatively tall. If you're kind of spreading your building out, I mean, there's, it's, there's sort of different mindsets about floating the slab, you know, and, and, you know, there's, if you, if you kind of look at some videos of how people will use kind of, carton forms and kind of creating that kind of floating the slab over things, you know, there's different, yeah, kind of almost like a waffle on the ground. It's kind of weird, but, so yeah, I mean, I, It's, it is a, it's, it is very regional, very different, you know, but yeah, I think you're right though, even where you are, there's certainly different techniques, especially I would imagine for, you know, insulating that basement for freeze thaw cycle. and water infiltration, that's, you know, because we don't have a whole lot of subterranean habitable space or even half, you know, half in the ground spaces, you know, kind of with a walkout, you know, if you've got some little bit of terrain, architects here don't know how to detail that, you know, I mean, they do, but they don't because it's, it's not, it's not real common. You know, whereas, whereas where you are, it's far more common. And so you have lots of examples of what's working, what's not, what new technologies are helping with things, you know, what old techniques are the ones that are tried and true, all that good stuff.

Kurt: 22:07

Yeah. So, well, anyway, I think, that's why everybody

Jamie: 22:12

needs to move to, that's why everybody needs to move to like, what's those middle States, like, is that the Midwest, I don't know, like I'd never lived in the Midwest, so. Yeah, the Midwest. That's my, that's my shout out to the Midwest.

Kurt: 22:24

So, yeah. Thank you. out here, point to the,

Jamie: 22:28

oh, is that, is that the Michigan thing again? Like a mit, that's the MIT Mitten

Kurt: 22:32

Mitten. Okay. The mitten. So we're in the Midwest for sure. Yeah. Oh, hook'em horns. No, no, no. That's, that's,

Jamie: 22:40

no, that's this. But A& M does that. So

Kurt: 22:48

we were doing sign language. That's great. So, yeah, now I forgot what I was going to say. Sort of subtle segue over to a sketch, but I guess I could do like a good, better, best, I

Jamie: 23:04

think that's, I think that's the, that's the way to go is good, better, best. And what, what the kind of advantage disadvantages are, on something that's the same. You know, sort of same setup, you know, it's like. Here's your standard setup, you know, and then

Kurt: 23:20

maybe if I, if I follow this theme of training and teaching this stuff, I could, I could, I could try and get regional examples, you know, good, better, best all over the country and then keep going. And it's not just foundations.

Jamie: 23:43

So, it's like, it's almost like coffee sketch science. Yeah, building sketch, coffee, science, there's something there, there's some, there's some wordsmithing that we got to do on thread, put that out on threads and see what people

Kurt: 24:03

say. Yeah, the threads, I will put the feelers out there. So, so the sketch that you've created, which is hot off the presses, has nothing to do with foundations or iPads, but it is a subject we have talked about before the Blanton Art Museum, which is in no, not Austin. Is it? It is.

Jamie: 24:30

It's an Austin. Yeah, I was there

Kurt: 24:31

today. Yeah. Oh, yes. You, you brave the heat for, for the sake of the sketch. I did, because you got 100 plus temps for 100 plus days. Something. Yeah. It's just a hundred times. A hundred is a lot. Yeah,

Jamie: 24:48

it's just, we're on the surface, we're on the surface of the sun, the South side. So, yeah,

Kurt: 24:55

so is this fun to so, you know, I pulled this off your Instagram. It's been, it's kind of a fun 1. we, it wasn't that long ago. I don't think that we talked about it, but, you know, if I go back to actual counting in my database of categorizing podcast episodes, it could be a little older than I think. But, Now, the plan, this project by snow is complete. And so Jamie did a new sketch. Of the, these cool, like, precast concrete, right? No, oh, no, or the metal. No, they're metal. Yeah. Oh, okay. I, I, I, yeah,

Jamie: 25:37

they're, they're perfect. They're kind of a perf metal.

Kurt: 25:40

yeah, because they got holes. Yeah. And they look like tulip. Not really tulips, but, these sort of flower cones, cantonary

Jamie: 25:49

arches. Yeah, I mean, they're really, I mean, what was, what was striking was, going over to kind of check it out today very briefly, was, and it's the first time I was there today. I've driven by it once since it's been complete. had been checking it out during construction, sort of was fascinated kind of as it was coming together because I really did think it was going to transform the space having seen the renders and that in that previous episode, we'll, we'll find it. We'll add it to the notes. What number that was, In the rendering was was really dramatic. I mean, you you had a space between the Blanton sort of separated between two buildings on the on the University of Texas campus. and it's effectively this gap between the two buildings. Is on axis with the texas capitol building and so what you're seeing there in the sketch is the texas capitol kind of in the in the very distance kind of at the vanishing point and so this is like it made me channel our sketch from san francisco where it was like you know here's your one point perspective it wasn't like the lombard street kind of thing but you know you have this one point perspective you have this icon at the end and all the things in the foreground are really what you're you know you're trying to get the scale right you and it, you know, kind of really capture the nature of the space, and that plaza space was basically think about it as like concrete, concrete between two buildings, no shade in Texas, and now it's got these wonderful kind of dappled light that kind of comes through these petal like forms and I swear the, the temperature dropped 15 degrees walking underneath these things, you know, it

Kurt: 27:36

was fantastic, isn't that kind of proof proof of concept

Jamie: 27:40

total proof of concept today, like at noon, You know, but I would also say, and I put it as one of the little hashtags on here when I posted it was, it's an outdoor room. You know, now you have this space between these two buildings that isn't really programmed. you have these kind of wonderful sculpture like pieces and you've got a variety of different ways to use the space. So there's some platforms that are kind of anchored to the bases of the program, to the pedals that are kind of these wood platforms, kind of half height kind of things. You've got some movable furniture, kind of all over the place. You've got a couple different kind of surfaces. Most of it's pretty accessible. but you know, it, it really felt like a good space. and, and certainly one that didn't exist there before, right behind. The image of the sketch is the Ellsworth Kelly, chapel and sculpture, that Lake Flato, not Lake Flato, excuse me, Overland Partners, other San Antonio based firm, original, they, they executed the, the architecture of the building, but it was Ellsworth Kelly's design. and that's just a. You know, go to, if you come to Austin and love art, the, the Chapel by Kelly is, is absolutely a must see. Yeah. And

Kurt: 29:11

didn't you take the sketch from the opposite direction last

Jamie: 29:15

time? Yeah. So the op, the, yeah, the last one was in, I, I looked back and it was like February-ish and it was so,

Kurt: 29:23

oh, I found the date too. It was actually, episode 79. Okay, it was posted May. It could have been a February sketch though, but it was posted May 2021. 2 years ago. Okay. And actually, you know, it's funny. February 2021 is when you had the blackout. Yes, so the climate change. Sort of synchronicity.

Jamie: 29:51

Well, no, I think I'm talking about February this year. I went over and watched it in construction, but what you what you're talking about is when we kind of discovered this rendering and that, like, the whole project was a go. So, yeah,

Kurt: 30:08

yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was looking at the Ellsworth building versus at the capital, which is kind of fun. So you got 2 angles to look at. And as as I appreciate the call back to our trip in San Francisco, which, you know, these, the canopies, I guess, could kind of be perceived as trees street, right? Something like that. and then the, the promenade, like, you know, on the way back to the capital, but, you know, yeah, I'm really excited that it's done because it's a cool building or building. It's a cool. Piece of architecture. It's a space,

Jamie: 30:48

you know, and well, and they've re, they've renovated the buildings too. So the, the galleries, the museum itself has been renovated, pretty extensively as well. So, snow had a, you know, did, you know, kind of a, you know, a pretty big project for, for, you know, kind of right in the, the center of Austin. And what's interesting too is that the, that building, the Blanton, has sort of a, a controversial kind of, baptism, or, if you recall, you might not, but, I mean, Austin at the kind of like a, almost about a decade ago or so, didn't really have a whole lot of architecture of note. Like in kind of modern architecture, like there wasn't a whole lot. I mean, there, there was kind of a growth of some towers. There was a lot of people kind of, you know, Oh, Austin could be cool. And so it was, you know, little smattering of different things, but nothing where it was like huge projects or big, you know, bigger projects. There's a lot of residential work that was really interesting, smaller commercial work that was interesting, but nothing kind of on a, kind of a museum scale or something like that. But, Yeah. The, Herzog de Meuron was tapped to do the Blanton Museum, and did a design that the UT Regents, panned. The architecture community loved it, so critics loved it. The Regents panned it. And ended up, you know, causing such a stir about it that the dean of UT's architecture program at the time decided to, step down and protest, at, at the panning of, of that sort of renowned architectural work. so they ended up not doing the building. the blend ended up kind of moving forward anyways. but now kind of coming full circle, you're getting this, really, really interesting intervention by Snohetta with the follies and then the renovation of the building. And, it's, it's definitely worth a visit.

Kurt: 32:53

That's cool. Who was the,

Jamie: 32:57

Larry Speck.

Kurt: 32:58

Speck. Okay. Yeah. That's the name. I kind of recall as a well, a sort of a staple of the, the UT architecture program. Yeah. Or at least recent, you know, more recently. Oh, wow. How funny all that comes together.

Jamie: 33:16

And Craig Deekers, one of the founders of Snohetta is a UT library. So, so, I mean, there's a whole lot of nuance to it, which, I mean, you know, you and I both love all those little extra tidbits. and, and

Kurt: 33:33

a family tree.

Jamie: 33:35

I think, you know, it's, you know, there's the stories of these places and how they come to be is. You know, sometimes as interesting as the buildings themselves. So,

Kurt: 33:46

for sure. Sorry. I was doing a little Google Google mapping looking at the unfortunately, the Google map is not quite updated with the, the new structures. But, yeah. I was getting my bearings a little bit as, as you would say, orienting, I didn't realize how close the capital is to the, to the campus or the campus is to the

Jamie: 34:10

capital. Yeah. The 40 acres as they refer to it. Yes.

Kurt: 34:16

You know, I almost went to UT. We may have not been as good of friends. Huh? Well, it was on, it was on my, short list of, architecture programs. I didn't wind up going there.

Jamie: 34:33

Yeah, I, I didn't go there,

Kurt: 34:37

but yeah. So before I keep going into my, my rabbit hole of Google earth, Oh, where'd it go? Oh, is it disappearing on us? Well, anyway, I'll turn that off. So thanks for the, the new sketch of the Blanton. It does surprise me that it was episode 79. We last talked about it. So how time flies,

Jamie: 35:02

huh? Yeah, I know. It's like, you know, we're almost, we're, you know, we start start to project out and we're going to be kind of getting towards, you know, the, the milestones that some of our colleagues have that have inspired us. Yeah. you know, I think part of it too is that we'll be, you know, hearing from them and the episode that we shared with them, here pretty soon. So, yeah. Lots to look forward to.

Kurt: 35:26

Yeah, I know we have had a couple of episodes that are a little different with the SketchUp folks just came out. So hopefully people react to those. it's not definitely not going to be something we do super regular. But maybe a little more of the collaboration kind with people like the ARCASpeak folks and, other, other, other fellow podcasters. So anyway, thanks for the sketch. I guess I'm going to sign off and we'll talk to you soon, Jamie.

Jamie: 35:56

Thanks Kurt.